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so have i got this tright,
the inlets go into the top of the engine in the pic , through two valves, one one either side of the head from left to right as we see it,

then the exhausts exits via one valve each side to the two turbos,

if so then we are looking at two different engines there,

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yeh, sort of like two head mashed onto one block?


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http://www.arpem.com/racing/lancia_ecv/ecv_3.jpg

One head
4 pot
4 combustion chambers

just a bit clever

Edited by carl talbot on 4th Apr, 2009.


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imagine the time taken to port that bad boy! hahaa


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On 4th Apr, 2009 MikeRace said:
Im confused???


thats because you a thickie,lol

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isnt it just opposed inlets to keep the head temp down rather than having 2 red hot ex valves next to each other?

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That design is clever....
expensive, complicated, but clever....

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Well each turbo is fed by its own set of exhaust valves by the look of it, I guess you can get away with smaller primarys and increased gas velocity this way?


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it runs 2 small turbo's and closes off one turbo at low rpm, giving the 2 litres feeding one small turbo this spools it up realy fast and when the desired boost level is reached or it goes above a certain rpm the second turbo opens up to provide yet more boost and allowing more exhaust gasses to flow, its a very clever way of doing stuff but mega complicated, the supra, aristo, skyline, the tt soarer and a fair few others use a similar system but only having 4 valves + 2 ports per cylinder its alot simpler

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On 4th Apr, 2009 Brett said:
it runs 2 small turbo's and closes off one turbo at low rpm, giving the 2 litres feeding one small turbo this spools it up realy fast and when the desired boost level is reached or it goes above a certain rpm the second turbo opens up to provide yet more boost and allowing more exhaust gasses to flow, its a very clever way of doing stuff but mega complicated, the supra, aristo, skyline, the tt soarer and a fair few others use a similar system but only having 4 valves + 2 ports per cylinder its alot simpler


skyline doesnt run a turbo setup like that, and by the looks neither does this lancia. both turbos are fed gasses at all times. :)

turbo 16v k-series 11.9@118.9 :)

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The only sequencial twin turbo set up I can think of is the RX7.

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On 4th Apr, 2009 Jay#2 said:
The only sequencial twin turbo set up I can think of is the RX7.

and toyota 1jz and 2jz :)

Edited by evolotion on 4th Apr, 2009.

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On 4th Apr, 2009 evolotion said:

and toyota 1jz and 2jz :)


What are those to a non-import person?

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toyota supra , lexus soarer, toyota / lexus Aristo/GS300 :) 2.5 and 3.0 TT

turbo 16v k-series 11.9@118.9 :)

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Really? Didn't know they were sequencial.

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yip, if you get the opportunity to drive one they have a very distincitve power delivery :) there is a valve in the hot and cold side of the "rear" turbo that blocks it off so all 6 cylinders feed the front turbo untill a predetermined boost / RPM point, where the valves open and the second turbo spins up.

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Legacy GT (and a few other variants) is twin sequential turbos too.

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the design shows a distinct lack of imagination,
talk about starting off with a clean sheet of paper, then not bothering to fucking draw on it,lol

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This is the car it was designed for the Lancia ECV Group S.

Info here--->

http://homepage.virgin.net/shalco.com/lancia_gp_s.htm

Also after reading this again. Looks and sounds a lot like Vizards Poly Quad Head effect. Re-helping out swirl charge.

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On 4th Apr, 2009 evolotion said:


and by the looks neither does this lancia. both turbos are fed gasses at all times. :)


i dont want to start an argument, but i was relating to this engine diagram and yes it does run as i stated i have researched this before you can clearly see the egcv after the left hand turbo!!

and for the cars i listed as twin sequential turbo, yes i agree as i recall the Skyline (twin turbo) runs parallel turbo system, i have driven all the 'engines' i listed and indeed owned my own 2JZGTE powered rocket *wink* the sequential system is not to be underestimated*happy*

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im a bit confused now, are you saying that the digram is a sequencial setup?

from my understanding id sat it wasnt, but i stand to be corrected?

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It looks like it could be, there is a big actuator on the end of the left hand turbo to bypass exhaust gasses until it is called for, there is also some kind of valve on the outlet of the left turbo to stop the other turbo back feeding through it when it is not making any boost.


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my bad brett , never noticed the valve after teh left turbo :)

turbo 16v k-series 11.9@118.9 :)

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