Today i fitted this.......
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Its a charge® cooler from Vmax, will pressure test it tomorrow and hopefully be able to post up some before and after results in respect to Charge temps and find out if it actually provides much help......i hope so.

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Edited by Andy500 on 4th May, 2009.

nice!

what is it, some kind of heat soak device,

carl

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HUH????
So this is a housing cooler - held on with mastic?

That isn't really a charge cooler is it?

I believe it'll solve hot-start issues, but will make naff-all difference to the charge air temps. If it does, then experimental error will account for it LOL

Edited by turbodave16v on 4th May, 2009.

This is the final fitted pic of the heat exchanger (i may paint the sealent). Ive still to fit the resevoir, little rad and pump.
Carl, basically it forms a little pocket of coolant on top of the charger which should carry some heat away from the charger casing the two pipe connectors on top are for the flow and return.. The system is self contained with its own coolant and pump etc. Will post some more pics when i get the rest fitted throughout this week.

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Yeah i know Dave but its as much of an experiment as anything else. Vmax reckon theyve seen considerable differences with this system. Will be logging the temps on the emerald to see what if any difference it makes.

Hmmm, Would be good if it worked, But tbh I reckon it'll need more than that.

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I will give it a shot before i drop the speed of the charger and fork out for a new pulley :(

Yeah defo, always worth a try. I'm toying with charging mine, but unsure as I want fairly big power. But want good inlet temps!

Lightweight racer coming soon.

Any more pictures of the car and engine though please?!

Lightweight racer coming soon.

I think cooling the inlet manifold would be much better, using the same idea, just bigger coolant pipes.

Radleigh, have tried to post some more up but it aint working for some reason, will try again tomorrow.

Thanks mate :)

Lightweight racer coming soon.

did you take any pics of the other side before you glues it on?

Does coolant come in direct contact with the charger case or is it a sealed unit just sat ontop?

got to say, i hope it does help, but imho ithink that its going to give neglible drops in intake charge temp...?

can i ask what vmax charge for this?

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didnt get any pics of the underside but theres nothing to see really. It isnt a sealed plate as i first thought it would be but instead forms a pocket on top of the charger. So the coolant mixture will come in to direct contact with the charger casing (which should help improve heat transfer more than a plate would).

Vmax charge around £200 but i paid considerably less as im already a customer with the original conversion being by them.

To be honest im just intrested in what effect it has if any more than anything as i modified my inlet so that the IAT sensor sits in it and i can get real readings of whats going on rather than just guessing. I dont think vmax have run one of these with the temp sensor in the inlet yet so i guess im doing a bit of research for them.

Edited by Andy500 on 5th May, 2009.

Interesting....

Personally, I would't want it to be too effective - it looks far too localised on a casing that has some fine running clearances inside.

Vaguely remebering an earlier thread, seeing the effect of getting the IAT sensor in the right place will be more interesting (to me anyway!)

Schrödinger's cat - so which one am I ???

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I think that this is just going to make things worse. The nice cool incoming air is just going to get heated to the cooling water temp, then get heated up even more by the blower.

That is in the wrong place and attempting to cool the wrong thing.

It is the compression of air that causes the heat, not the blower casing.

The cooler needs to go between the blower and the manifold to cool the charge.

Why someone doues not spend some time adapting an oil cooler core to fit in the gap, I do not know.

If it does have an effect, your boost pressure should drop.

Edited by Paul S on 5th May, 2009.

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Paul, its an independant system completely seperate from the engine coolant circuit so it should never add heat to the charger.

I fully understand the limits of cooling the casing and not the air but if the charger runs cooler then surely this will have a knock on effect to the air temps....all be it this may be minimal but i like trying things out

It may be an independant cooling circuit, but you are never going to get the coolant temperature lower than the incoming air temperature.

Lets us know how it performs.

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Stephen Hawking - "The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge."

The system has a fair sizedrad as well so hopefully the delta T between coolant and ambient air will be small. Like i said earlier though its more of an experiment than a long term solution so will keep you all posted on the results

That's the way to do it.........

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Indeed, that would be good and the correct way to do it, the problem is that the charger would then stick through the bonnet. Will certainly be having a look in to this over the next few motths though. Ive got a load of material to allow me to start mocking this up.

Seriously! you would be better of cutting out your bonnet and shaping the cut out to copy the lancer evo bonnet vent that would be much more effective. Sorry a waste in my mind.

Edited by Mr Joshua on 6th May, 2009.

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On 5th May, 2009 sturgeo said:

On 5th May, 2009 Paul S said:

Why someone doues not spend some time adapting an oil cooler core to fit in the gap, I do not know.

could you do something like this and have the pipes feed to a front mounted rad?

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