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A pick your brains question. I need to decide what final drive to use for my project, basically supercharged about 150 bhp, 10 inch wheels with 165 70 10 tyres. Not a daily driver, just a weekend toy. Only likely to see a motorway on the odd run to a mini show. But I want it to be a nice drive, not just wanting to take off like a scolded cat all the time revving its nuts off. I have the standard turbo 3.2 at the moment in the box, but also have a 3.1. I don't mind buying other ratios if any others would be better. So the question is what ratio do you think I should go for.


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I think a 3.1 would be very nice with that engine. I don't know if you've already seen this but check out the ratio calculator on johns site, it'll help you compare ratios. http://www.guess-works.com/Gearbox/Technical/ratio.htm


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if it were me id go for the highest ratio you can get, supercharged motors seem to make lots of torque and dont like to rev too much.

a highter ratio would mean you can take advantage of the torque
plus your less likely to overstress the engine with revs

but this is only my opinion, and im no expert



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On 10th Feb, 2010 MONSTER HEDGEHOG said:
if it were me id go for the highest ratio you can get, supercharged motors seem to make lots of torque and dont like to rev too much.

a highter ratio would mean you can take advantage of the torque
plus your less likely to overstress the engine with revs

but this is only my opinion, and im no expert


Wouldn't that be a lower ratio?

I would go for something like a 3.6 if you don't intend to do much motorway driving. I had a 3.4 with 165 70 10s on a motorway trip before. It would sit at 80 without making things too unbearable

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I think Gary OS has taken over my role as the forum smart arse *happy*


On 30th Apr, 2010 Rod S said:
Gary's description is best


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i have 10's and a 3.44, i wish i had gone for a 3.2 or 3.1 as i think it revs to high on a run

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I've gone for 3.2 with 10's on my clubby. I would have put a 2.95 in there but I have metro challenge gearset which has a very long first.

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On 11th Feb, 2010 GaryOS said:
On 10th Feb, 2010 MONSTER HEDGEHOG said:
if it were me id go for the highest ratio you can get, supercharged motors seem to make lots of torque and dont like to rev too much.

a highter ratio would mean you can take advantage of the torque
plus your less likely to overstress the engine with revs

but this is only my opinion, and im no expert


Wouldn't that be a lower ratio?

I would go for something like a 3.6 if you don't intend to do much motorway driving. I had a 3.4 with 165 70 10s on a motorway trip before. It would sit at 80 without making things too unbearable


A 3,65 for a roadgoing car is mad. 3.44 is way much better, 3,21 even more so.

A 2,76 is a TALL diff, whereas a 4,11 is a LOW diff.

On 13th Jul, 2012 Ben H said:
Mine gets in the way a bit, but only when it is up. If it is down it does not cause a problem.



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I'd go for the 3.2, or 3.1, deffinately no lower. Should give you about 120mph at 7k. Anything else in my opinion would be wasting the potential of the engine.

3.1 should be about 80 at 4.5k.

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I have 10's and 3.44 with sc drops on my daily. Its fun, but loud. Revs top out too early on the motorway, fun getting there though. im going to 3.2 id say next time the engine comes out. Just for some more legs, but i like the scalded cat bit !!!!! hhmmm
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On 11th Feb, 2010 Vegard said:



On 11th Feb, 2010 GaryOS said:
On 10th Feb, 2010 MONSTER HEDGEHOG said:
if it were me id go for the highest ratio you can get, supercharged motors seem to make lots of torque and dont like to rev too much.

a highter ratio would mean you can take advantage of the torque
plus your less likely to overstress the engine with revs

but this is only my opinion, and im no expert


Wouldn't that be a lower ratio?

I would go for something like a 3.6 if you don't intend to do much motorway driving. I had a 3.4 with 165 70 10s on a motorway trip before. It would sit at 80 without making things too unbearable


A 3,65 for a roadgoing car is mad. 3.44 is way much better, 3,21 even more so.

A 2,76 is a TALL diff, whereas a 4,11 is a LOW diff.


I totally agree. I had a 3.7 in my NA 998 and it was a pain, but good on track. 3.4 or taller on the road and taller the better on a forced induction

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Just leave the 3.2 in IMO

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Dear god not another one of these topics. No offense to anyone, but really only YOU can decide what FD ratio to choose. One mans perfectly acceptable ratio is another mans pain in the arse, and that works for pretty much any number you choose.

If you really really hate the choice you do make, then its not a difficult thing to change it next time you have the engine and box out.

Stay away from the extremes of either end of the scale, e.g. 4.1 and 2.7 and you won't go that far wrong with any of them for a road car.


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I have to say that I was not going to comment on this thread for the above reason, but when someone recomends a 3.6 for a road forced induction car you have to say something.

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On 11th Feb, 2010 Vegard said:



A 3,65 for a roadgoing car is mad.


I must be raving looney then *hehe!*

On 26th Oct, 2004 TurboDave16v said:
Is it A-Series only? I think it should be...
So when some joey comes on here about how his 16v turbo vauxhall is great compared to ours, he can be given the 'bird'...


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Yep I agree with TD........


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On 11th Feb, 2010 Sprocket said:



On 11th Feb, 2010 Vegard said:



A 3,65 for a roadgoing car is mad.


I must be raving looney then *hehe!*


Yes. for a ROADgoing car, I see no point in using a 3.65. Trackday car, perfect!

On 13th Jul, 2012 Ben H said:
Mine gets in the way a bit, but only when it is up. If it is down it does not cause a problem.



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Lol, this is like the other topic

What makes a road going car not a track day car and a track day car not a road car?

On 26th Oct, 2004 TurboDave16v said:
Is it A-Series only? I think it should be...
So when some joey comes on here about how his 16v turbo vauxhall is great compared to ours, he can be given the 'bird'...


On 26th Oct, 2004 Tom Fenton said:
Yep I agree with TD........


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On 11th Feb, 2010 Sprocket said:
Lol, this is like the other topic

What makes a road going car not a track day car and a track day car not a road car?

Edited by wolfie on 11th Feb, 2010.

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Yes and no, there are some that cross over more than others. For example my white 205 is a trackcar that has now developed to the point that its horrible to use on the road for any distance. OK its taxed and MOT'd but it is definitely more "track car" than it is "road car".

My red 205 on the other hand is a road car primarily, but I have done a track day in it. However I have to say although it certainly has the beans and also the brakes and suspension, with the standard seats and belts by the end of the afternoon my upper body and arms were aching like fcuk, just from clinging onto the steering wheel for grim death trying to hold myself upright in the seats. So that one is more "road car" than it is "track car".


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i cant stand my 3.4 on 10's im fitting a 2.9,
but,
i do alot of motorway miles, and my truck isnt really that heavy so i dont think it will be too bad, as it always seems to feel like i need another gear when im cruising.

On 2nd Oct, 2009 Vegard said:


On 1st Oct, 2009 Jimster said:
I bet my first wank came quicker than your first mini turbo


These new modern turbos with their quick spool up time, would make the competition harder.


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phew!!! thank you brett for smashing in my back doors .( not something i imagined writing... EVER)


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straight cut box 2.58 1st gear ..,3.2 ....helical box 2.9.

*happy* editted to make it understandable for moz *tongue*...

if you have a gearbox with the straight cut teeth ,which has a 2.58:1 ratio 1 st gear ,thats the one you use to drive off from a standstill ,then i would advise advocate and utilise a differential gear ratio of 3.2:1.

if you are using a standard unmodified helical box ,with a much lower 1st gear ,thats the one you pull away with ,then i would install,fit,emplace,a 2.95:1 ratio differential gear . *wink*

Edited by robert on 11th Feb, 2010.

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rob, what does that mean?

On 2nd Oct, 2009 Vegard said:


On 1st Oct, 2009 Jimster said:
I bet my first wank came quicker than your first mini turbo


These new modern turbos with their quick spool up time, would make the competition harder.


On 15th Aug, 2011 robert said:
phew!!! thank you brett for smashing in my back doors .( not something i imagined writing... EVER)


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On 11th Feb, 2010 rubicon said:
rob, what does that mean?


Cheers for that, yes I forgot to mention it's straight cut drops and box. I think after hearing what people think of their final drives I will stick with the 3.2. 1 ratio then.


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On 11th Feb, 2010 Tom Fenton said:
Dear god not another one of these topics. No offense to anyone, but really only YOU can decide what FD ratio to choose. One mans perfectly acceptable ratio is another mans pain in the arse, and that works for pretty much any number you choose.

If you really really hate the choice you do make, then its not a difficult thing to change it next time you have the engine and box out.

Stay away from the extremes of either end of the scale, e.g. 4.1 and 2.7 and you won't go that far wrong with any of them for a road car.


Sorry Tom ,fair comment if I had thought about doing search fo the topic I'd of had the answer, seems this had been a common question before.


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yep 3.2 or the 3.1 both will be good

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On 11th Feb, 2010 robert said:
straight cut box 2.58 1st gear ..,3.2 ....helical box 2.9.

*happy* editted to make it understandable for moz *tongue*...

if you have a gearbox with the straight cut teeth ,which has a 2.58:1 ratio 1 st gear ,thats the one you use to drive off from a standstill ,then i would advise advocate and utilise a differential gear ratio of 3.2:1.

if you are using a standard unmodified helical box ,with a much lower 1st gear ,thats the one you pull away with ,then i would install,fit,emplace,a 2.95:1 ratio differential gear . *wink*


This is very true.

On 13th Jul, 2012 Ben H said:
Mine gets in the way a bit, but only when it is up. If it is down it does not cause a problem.


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