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Need some advice lads! I had my turbo running but i took it a part to try and fit my intercooler. I didn't bother in the end and i put it all back together and it won't start!!!! I can't seem to get a spark!! I've tryed everything and i was wondering does anyone have any ideas or is there a conman thing that can go? theres power at the coil and power at the plug of the dizzy and i've even swoped a coil off my mate mini and it still don't work any help do be a life saver!

I'm getting to the stage where i wished i'd left alone this job of putting a turbo in!!

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firstly NEVER DESPAIR you get bad days and more bad days but when you have solved it all its magic........................................
no conman thing, check the wiring again
you say you have power to the coil? power to the plug of the dizzy,

you should have power into the coil and then a live wire as well from the coil piggybacked live wire to the mod amplifier on dizzy.

come out of dizzyon the other spade to terminal on the coil
if my memory serves me right ???
i may stand corrected though

so live wire to neg terminal on coil (input) piggback a wire from there to modual on dizzy. then out of mod on dizzy to positive side on coil
you must have a permanent live to modual on dizzy you see. for it to work
hey presto

Edited by BENROSS on 26th Jan, 2005.

What did you remove when you tried to fit the intercooler... might give us a clue :)

i took the coil off and thats it! i also took the wires off the modual and now i can't remenber which way round they go and i just guessed and i think i might of blown some thing cos it used to work i thought i might of done in the modual so i went and got a new one and it wasn't that!! i also put all new leads and plugs and i also swaped the coil i've got it right i think i've got it right i think i've got one wire going from the modual to the + and one to - but can anyone tell me for shore which one is which do you think the dizzy its self is bust cos i can't think of anything else cos everythings so basic

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print out this tread and take it into the garage and follow what i said carefully!!!!!

let us know?
have you got a spark from the HT lead from the coil ??? if you hold it to, say the head?
when you are turning the engine over ?
long shot is the dizzy rotor arm turning ?
its something you have done when you stripped the parts off and you have not put thing right back properly
let us know we are all hear to help:

BENROSS:

i always find its best to work backwards ... start by seeing if the plugs are sparking, if not then test the leads, if there is no power there check the dizzy cap, if that is fine try a different dizzy, if that is fine check your earth connection, etc etc etc, just keep working backwards till you find the source of the problem

NO LONGER A <3 lover of BOLT-ON plastic <3 .... (and DOUBLE proud of it)

i thanx lads i think its the dizzy but i can't work out how its happened cos the dizzy is new and i still don't know which way round the wires go

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the piggy backed wire live from the coil to the dizzy mod needs to be on to the top terminal on the dizzy mod
follow the thread what i have said and you SHOULD be able to suss it

thanx big help!! can't see any tread you mean though? quick questionfor you what would happen if you had put the round the wrong way what could it blow?? or would it just not work?

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wont hurt a thing if you get a wire wrong on the mod, "i assure you.

BUT!
you will get a voltage reduction to the plugs if you get thes wires wrong on the coil
it will not affect things untill very high boost figures.
but it will shorten the coils life considerably.

the thread is what we have talked about

"THE WORDS ABOVE"





BENROSS:

Edited by BENROSS on 28th Jan, 2005.

sorry silly me! Well i've sent the dizzy back to avonbar for them to look at cause i really don't know what else it could be

if it come back and its not that i'm fucked big time

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let us know ?
make sure there is a live wire going to the coil first ???

i wonder if there is anyone near you who could sort it for you ????

HATEING MY LIFE!!!!!!!!!!!

Avonbar rang today and said there nothing worng with my dizzy someone feels very small and thick god i hate turbos!!! it rang like a dream when it was injection!! Now call i can think about is what the i'm going to do

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DONT DESPAIR
thats the first thing,
i can remember me been like you as a young lad, about "300 years ago"

the problem will be staring you in the face
FOR SURE

Have you got a live wire to the coil thats first ???
i will be on tommorow from 12pm and i will be your internet electrician hows that ? ALL DAY

on this thread so you will sort it


BENROSS:

thanx it means alot mate but i@ve got to wait to avonbar post my dizzy back should be all go next weekend well me all go not the car! all i can say is thank god for the golf i brought! its a shed must least it runs i want to get it down the psint shop but it can@t even make the two miles there lol

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have you got 12v going to the coil? you need to run it from the fuse box or similar to the + side,

you havent earthed the coil to the body work have you?

just telling you the simple things just to make sure youve got it right.

im not running ballast or anything and dont know about your system but this is what ive got:
+ side: 12v from the fusebox that comes on with the ignition and +feed to the distributor

- side: negative feed to the distributor.


if there is one have you still got the earth wire connector on the distibutor?

no worries

PM SENT zeemax

Where would i be without you lads! Oh yeah still in the garage scraching my head!

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white with pink stripe to positive on coil, white with black stripe to -, from the module white to + and white with black stripe to-, theres also another feed to + on the coil from the loom but i cant remember that. leave your ignition on and your coil should get hot after 5 minutes or so if its wired up correct. hope this helps.

Edited by miniman on 6th Feb, 2005.

zeemax pm sent buddy

to test why not run a wire directly from the + on the battery to the + on the coil and wire a cable from the - on the coil to a bolt on the engine or bodywork. This will make the coil permenantly live - do not leave it direct to the battery!

Now all you have to do is to make sure you have a rotor arm on the shaft and the correct dissy cap. Look inside the cap and make sure all metal contacts are clean and the spring loaded contact in the middle is still there and not fallen out.

Now all you have to do is alighn the dissy with the rotor arm, I personally get my engine to TDC on the first cylinder (next to the rad) and make sure the rotor arm points to the connection on the cap for lead 1, if it does not swap them about and align the dissy to suit.

Once you have aligned it to no 1 the others are easy. The order is 1-3-4-2 going ANTI clockwise.

Id personally replace the coil, cap, rotor arm and leads just to be sure. All the parts can be found easily - i have all the above spare as i have just replaced all of mine.

I forgot to mention the wires on the dissy.

Metro turbo has an electric ignition - it has a piggy back module that has 2 wires coming off it, one is + and one is - .These run up and connect on to the dissy. (i cant remeber what colour is +, as a guess it could be the solid coloured one, and the one wth the black stripe is likely to be -.

If you have an old breaker type dissy it just has one cable coming off it. This goes to the - on the coil. If you run one of these make sure you have the points set up correctly.

The electric metro dissy modules sometimes pack up, these are designed to run at 12v, i ran on on a 9v system and they go wrong after a few hundred miles. They are cheap to replace, just check out any local scrappies and they are found on loads of rover cars from the early 90's.

excellent description sumpnut

i have sent zeemax a sketch on ignition system.

I should be typing out coursework, but I would rather be typing mini related stuff on here to be perfectly honest!

i was the same as you over 30 years ago