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Just built up a front hub with taper roller bearing torqued at 100lb ft with LM grease and another with ball type bearing torqued at 35 lb ft with Redline CV2 grease.
Which one should be easier to turn?

Paul

Edited by paul wiginton on 9th Jun, 2010.

I seriously doubt it!


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The one you get the grease out of and put oil in *wink*


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rear hubs?

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On 9th Jun, 2010 mini13 said:
rear hubs?


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Edited by paul wiginton on 9th Jun, 2010.

I seriously doubt it!


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Redline CV2 grease is very sticky from memory for a fair test you should use the same grease for comparison

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On 9th Jun, 2010 SidewaysGTM said:
Redline CV2 grease is very sticky from memory for a fair test you should use the same grease for comparison

West


I was lead to believe the CV2 should be slippier

I seriously doubt it!


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On 9th Jun, 2010 paul wiginton said:
Who said ball type wheelbearings had less friction?


You did. I distinctly remember it over a cup of tea in your garage, even the wife went out and bought some for her Fiat after she heard!

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I'm mainly concerned about swirl in the runners caused by the tangential entry.


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On 9th Jun, 2010 wil_h said:
On 9th Jun, 2010 paul wiginton said:
Who said ball type wheelbearings had less friction?


You did. I distinctly remember it over a cup of tea in your garage, even the wife went out and bought some for her Fiat after she heard!


Some twat told me though

Edit; Actually it might have been Calver

Edited by paul wiginton on 9th Jun, 2010.

I seriously doubt it!


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On 9th Jun, 2010 paul wiginton said:


On 9th Jun, 2010 wil_h said:
On 9th Jun, 2010 paul wiginton said:
Who said ball type wheelbearings had less friction?


You did. I distinctly remember it over a cup of tea in your garage, even the wife went out and bought some for her Fiat after she heard!


Some twat told me though

Edit; Actually it might have been Calver


Well he is a twat!

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On 2nd Jan, 2013 fastcarl said:

the design shows a distinct lack of imagination,
talk about starting off with a clean sheet of paper, then not bothering to fucking draw on it,lol

On 20th Apr, 2012 Paul S said:
I'm mainly concerned about swirl in the runners caused by the tangential entry.


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On 9th Jun, 2010 paul wiginton said:
Just built up a front hub with taper roller bearing torqued at 100lb ft with LM grease and another with ball type bearing torqued at 35 lb ft with Redline CV2 grease.
Which one should be easier to turn?

Paul


Torque used is irrelevant. The taper at that torque will have a spacer in the middle, hence so tight. Tapers with no spacer are literally just nipped up.

I'd say taper bearing easier to turn.

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Where do you get the 100ftlb and 35ftlb values from?

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I thought the torque setting for a ball bearing hub was 60lb/ft - it was last week when I did a pair of drum hubs.

Richard Longman used ball races in his championship winning cars - they don't last as long, but do have less friction.

Metric is for people who can't do fractions.


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If I torqued the ball to 60 lb it would hardly turn, 30-35 it would. The 100lb for the taper is all I could generate holding it in a vice before it started to slip.

I seriously doubt it!


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Does the grease not start to become fluid until its up to working temp..?

So at cold its not the same as it would be under driving conditions.?

Si

Edited by Si P on 10th Jun, 2010.

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Whats a Metro torque setting out of curiosity? they have balls as standard

I seriously doubt it!


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Grease is basicaly oil with thickners such as clay or chalk (the most simplest of grease). The thickners prevent the oil squeezing out of the bearings at supersonic speeds *hehe!*

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Is it A-Series only? I think it should be...
So when some joey comes on here about how his 16v turbo vauxhall is great compared to ours, he can be given the 'bird'...


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Yep I agree with TD........


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On 10th Jun, 2010 paul wiginton said:
Whats a Metro torque setting out of curiosity? they have balls as standard

The red book of lies says 75lbft

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On 10th Jun, 2010 Sprocket said:
Grease is basicaly oil with thickners such as clay or chalk (the most simplest of grease). The thickners prevent the oil squeezing out of the bearings at supersonic speeds *hehe!*


but wouldnt it then sound like a straighcut gearbox if it was going supersonic? *oh well**surprised*

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On 10th Jun, 2010 mini93 said:



On 10th Jun, 2010 Sprocket said:
Grease is basicaly oil with thickners such as clay or chalk (the most simplest of grease). The thickners prevent the oil squeezing out of the bearings at supersonic speeds *hehe!*


but wouldnt it then sound like a straighcut gearbox if it was going supersonic? *oh well**surprised*


No because like I said, the thickners 'prevent' the grease squeezing out at supersonic speed. In other words, it never reaches supersonic speed, therefore, cannot sound like straight cut gears *hehe!*

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Is it A-Series only? I think it should be...
So when some joey comes on here about how his 16v turbo vauxhall is great compared to ours, he can be given the 'bird'...


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Yep I agree with TD........


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ah of course, perhaps ill read next time :p should start telling people to put oil into their bearings if they want the noise for cheap haha

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On 9th Jun, 2010 wil_h said:
On 9th Jun, 2010 paul wiginton said:
Who said ball type wheelbearings had less friction?


Didn't Richard Longman say in some article that he used these type of bearings in his Clubman touring car as they had less drag?

Edited by dazibee on 10th Jun, 2010.


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On 10th Jun, 2010 dazibee said:


On 9th Jun, 2010 wil_h said:
On 9th Jun, 2010 paul wiginton said:
Who said ball type wheelbearings had less friction?


Didn't Richard Longman say in some article that he used these type of bearings in his Clubman touring car as they had less drag?


And guaging from his success he is not a twat

I seriously doubt it!


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Been doing lots of experimenting with different bearings, different greases, different amounts of grease and oil, plus reading up on KAD hubs where the shoulder inside the hub is wider so that the bearings are no longer pre loaded.
Is there any reason why we cannot just remove the spacer between the two bearings to get the same effect? I have experimented with this on the bench and the results are good but I dont know if it would work well with the weight of the car on it

Paul

I seriously doubt it!


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the shoulder would need to be narrower to reduce the preload,

i'd try thicker spacers between the bearing.

On 28th Aug, 2011 Kean said:
At the risk of being sigged...

Joe, do you have a photo of your tool?



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