Is this signalling the return of turbos to F1??
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I Hope So.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/science_and_env...nt/10456984.stm

1/4 Mile 14.3secs 96Mph Terminal 10psi of boost.


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It certainly reads that way

Possibly. But to reduce fuel useage by 50% and retain the same performance, is impossible. In my eyes that would suggest that f1 engines are horribly inefficient, which they are not. If an F1 team could have an engine that used 1/2 the fuel with the same performance it would already.

A turbo will make fook all differance to economy if you are flat out all the time. Turbo engine fuel efficiency is through efficient crusing.

Even if you introduce alternative power (KERS etc) the carbon useage is just the same to produce the power.

Still I'm all for forcing F1 teams to develop fuel efficient engines/technology, I just think a 50% saving is impossibe.

as the article suggested F1 is uses far more power as a whole than fuel in cars.

Fastest 998 mini in the world? 13.05 1/4 mile 106mph

i was talking with someone at Mercedes Benz - HPE end of last year and he felt turbos will make a come back .

1972 998 TURBO SLEEPER

Back to the days of 1500hp beemer engines

Edited by MikeRace on 30th Jun, 2010.

1/4 Mile 14.3secs 96Mph Terminal 10psi of boost.


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Split Rims? - http://www.force-racing.co.uk/

i herd the same a while back from a mate that worked close with one of the old f1 teams ( cant remember which but they dont race now i dont think)

Edited by Brett on 30th Jun, 2010.

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Yes pretty sure it will happen. Straight 4 most likely i would have thought. I wonder if they will bring in a production block rule???

I know they are looking at Kers again. The plan is to raise the power level of this over time. so that it can absorb more energy (less brakes needed) and deliver it back quicker. I think it was introduced at around 30-40bhp. It was due to ramp up big style with the front wheels also allowed to charge the system. (thats why they had brake problems, the bias was all over the show with kers on rear wheels only and no automatic compensation allowed). In theory they could get rid of the brakes all together.

Mix in less weight, better aero, better engine effic, then i'd think 50% fuel reduction would be extreme end of what they could achieve in theory. I'd bet 30-40% was more likely doable.

i was working on part of a teams KERS system last year and it was delivering 60Nm

1972 998 TURBO SLEEPER

What is it? A lectric motor i presume?

1/4 Mile 14.3secs 96Mph Terminal 10psi of boost.


Fibreglass Parts? - http://www.tdkracing.co.uk/
Split Rims? - http://www.force-racing.co.uk/

the system i was working with was electric motor, but it appears that Williams are make very good progress on their flybrid mechanical system

1972 998 TURBO SLEEPER

Hmm, i dont see how they can be fair. I think all the power should come from the engine only. I also think they should strip all driver aids away too. Thatll sort the men from the monkeys.

If turbos do come back i wonder if we will see a new breed of turbos.??

1/4 Mile 14.3secs 96Mph Terminal 10psi of boost.


Fibreglass Parts? - http://www.tdkracing.co.uk/
Split Rims? - http://www.force-racing.co.uk/

Even if turbo's do make a comeback I doubt they will see anything like the 60psi boost pressures they were running back in the mid 80's.

If something is worth doing, it's worth doing half of.

OOHH BABY

I recon that would slot in a mini

1/4 Mile 14.3secs 96Mph Terminal 10psi of boost.


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Split Rims? - http://www.force-racing.co.uk/

Carbon Turbo anyone?

1/4 Mile 14.3secs 96Mph Terminal 10psi of boost.


Fibreglass Parts? - http://www.tdkracing.co.uk/
Split Rims? - http://www.force-racing.co.uk/

A Very short stroke motor by the looks of things!

Edited by MikeRace on 30th Jun, 2010.

1/4 Mile 14.3secs 96Mph Terminal 10psi of boost.


Fibreglass Parts? - http://www.tdkracing.co.uk/
Split Rims? - http://www.force-racing.co.uk/

Wow, my power predictor spreadsheet comes pretty close to those values.

Fastest 998 mini in the world? 13.05 1/4 mile 106mph

Come on Wil Share? Id like to check my motor on this

1/4 Mile 14.3secs 96Mph Terminal 10psi of boost.


Fibreglass Parts? - http://www.tdkracing.co.uk/
Split Rims? - http://www.force-racing.co.uk/

carbon turbo?
nice,
john are you serious on the 60psi?
i guess that they must have used a pair of metro T3's...lol

Edited by Brett on 30th Jun, 2010.

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It;s all explained nicely on the Garrett website, I just stuck it in a spreadshet

http://www.turbobygarrett.com/turbobygarre...bo_tech101.html

Starts off basic, but get to tech103 and it's all maths. If I just gave you my spreadsheet you wouldn'y learn anything, also I didn't make it user friendly.

Fastest 998 mini in the world? 13.05 1/4 mile 106mph

My Brain just fell out.

1/4 Mile 14.3secs 96Mph Terminal 10psi of boost.


Fibreglass Parts? - http://www.tdkracing.co.uk/
Split Rims? - http://www.force-racing.co.uk/

hmm well according to that I should make around 240bhp at 20psi!

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1/4mile in 13.2sec @ 111 terminal on 15psi

Here is the one we have got at work:


1500cc, V6 producing 1000bhp at 12,200.

Tim Rowe

"Is est totus perfectus per fumi quod speculum"

GTM Coupe Turbo

Im guessing thats a fully fledged race engine, how reliable are these engines? Im guess theyre high strung and need a rebuild after 200 miles?

1/4 Mile 14.3secs 96Mph Terminal 10psi of boost.


Fibreglass Parts? - http://www.tdkracing.co.uk/
Split Rims? - http://www.force-racing.co.uk/

you just have that at work?
on a bench,in a workshop.....
im in the wrong game....