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paneermeel

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Hi,

mine engine stopped when i pressed the clutch *angry*
And after reading some info on this site i suspected mine thrusts.
And now i know for sure that they are the problem.

I feel there is some material still on the crank so now i come to you. I read that if youre crank is not perfectly smooth (feeling with youre fingertips) get it to a workshop to get it a regrind. But how does this work? Do i give them mine crank to get it regrinded or must i give them the complete block?

I'm also thinking of the possibility to get some wet sandingpaper and try to get the crank clean.

Any info would be appreciated
:)

there is nothing wrong with a A-series that a turbo can't fix.

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Take the crank out of the engine. You will know if your thrusts are damaged, they will look like this



You will need to get the thrust face ground and fit oversized thrusts

On 11th Feb, 2015 robert said:
i tried putting soap on it , and heating it to brown , then slathered my new lube on it

*hehe!*


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It really depends on how bad the damage is. Maybe you could post a pic of the damage ?

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Bah, those are like new...

On 13th Jul, 2012 Ben H said:
Mine gets in the way a bit, but only when it is up. If it is down it does not cause a problem.



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I saw worse than that recently. They had dug a 1/8" groove into the cap.

On 11th Feb, 2015 robert said:
i tried putting soap on it , and heating it to brown , then slathered my new lube on it

*hehe!*


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I believe that wolfie couldn't find his when he stripped his down.

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This is what i found when i went searching for my little problem*oh well*

The rests of the trusts are on the crank and in the sump of the gearbox*tongue*

Edited by paneermeel on 14th Nov, 2010.

there is nothing wrong with a A-series that a turbo can't fix.

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And the crank:

Edited by paneermeel on 14th Nov, 2010.

there is nothing wrong with a A-series that a turbo can't fix.

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wow

Yep, theres your problem :)


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LMFAO, Wet 'N' Dry *Rofl!*

sorry!

The crank will deffo need to go to the machine shop. Block possibly. I say the block might need to go to the machine shop, as you will have to check the roundness of the center bearing housing (block/ cap) as any excessive heat from the thrusts can distort the center bearing housing. Also, if the thrusts have spun, the facing on the block/ cap needs checking that it is perpendicular to the bearing housing/ crank journal.

Secondly, you need to find out why this happend in the first place. What clutch do you use and has it been assembled with the correct lug hights?

On 26th Oct, 2004 TurboDave16v said:
Is it A-Series only? I think it should be...
So when some joey comes on here about how his 16v turbo vauxhall is great compared to ours, he can be given the 'bird'...


On 26th Oct, 2004 Tom Fenton said:
Yep I agree with TD........


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ok, block will go to a machine shop.
And since everything is open i will make some more mods.
Like Carls mod on the thrusts*happy*

The problem is most likely, old thrust with grey clutchcover. I've red some more people had problems with it.

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how many miles had the engine done?

On 28th Aug, 2011 Kean said:
At the risk of being sigged...

Joe, do you have a photo of your tool?



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Fucking grey clutches!

Time to go verto?

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On 15th Nov, 2010 Joe C said:
how many miles had the engine done?


2 meter:)

It was the first drive since the rebuild.*tongue*

Now i can hit myself, the engine dropped in revs but i tried the clutch one more time and then i heard a noise that said: This is going to cost you some more money.

Looking at the damage on the crank and thrust i'm starting to believe they were put in the wrong way. Not by me, but i should have checked it, dammmm. A hard lesson.

there is nothing wrong with a A-series that a turbo can't fix.

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ouch!

what does the back of the thrusts look like, can you see any copper material left?







On 28th Aug, 2011 Kean said:
At the risk of being sigged...

Joe, do you have a photo of your tool?



http://www.turbominis.co.uk/forums/index.p...9064&lastpost=1

https://joe1977.imgbb.com/



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What was the crankshaft endfloat when built?

On 13th Jul, 2012 Ben H said:
Mine gets in the way a bit, but only when it is up. If it is down it does not cause a problem.



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Damn,

those thrusts look pretty fooked.

Oilgrooves must be facing outwards, my endfloat is what Haynes quotes.

What is the optimal endfloat when going turbo?

(sorry for hyjacking the thread)

On 8th Aug, 2010 Brett said:
Carl worked my bottom end, cannot fault the workmanship its spot on, a good old chinwag too :)


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On 16th Nov, 2010 bosroamer said:
What is the optimal endfloat when going turbo?


The same as when going N/A :)

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The other side has some copper left but the most of it has gone.

I can not remember the exact endfloat i got. But i do remember it was right between the min en max the Haynes said. I was, at that moment pretty pleased because i did not have any other thrust at hand when we put the engine together.

there is nothing wrong with a A-series that a turbo can't fix.

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the back does not have any copper on it to start with. I assume the thrusts have spun especially if you found one half in the sump?

On 26th Oct, 2004 TurboDave16v said:
Is it A-Series only? I think it should be...
So when some joey comes on here about how his 16v turbo vauxhall is great compared to ours, he can be given the 'bird'...


On 26th Oct, 2004 Tom Fenton said:
Yep I agree with TD........


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On 16th Nov, 2010 paneermeel said:
The other side has some copper left but the most of it has gone.

I can not remember the exact endfloat i got. But i do remember it was right between the min en max the Haynes said. I was, at that moment pretty pleased because i did not have any other thrust at hand when we put the engine together.



This is too much in my book. Aim for the lowest, ie. 2 thou.

On 13th Jul, 2012 Ben H said:
Mine gets in the way a bit, but only when it is up. If it is down it does not cause a problem.



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On 16th Nov, 2010 Sprocket said:
the back does not have any copper on it to start with. I assume the thrusts have spun especially if you found one half in the sump?


The parts were still in place but the part that is missing lies in the sump, in pieces.

And one side of the trust is completely broken (see photo) the other side is the side with the grooves. The grooves are now filled with material. When i removed the bearing cap the trust fell out so am not sure how it was mounted. But one side of the trust is worn en so is the crank. This would mean that the trust were mounted the wrong way.

And what Vegard says with to much endfloat:$

there is nothing wrong with a A-series that a turbo can't fix.

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0.005" thrust is fine

On 26th Oct, 2004 TurboDave16v said:
Is it A-Series only? I think it should be...
So when some joey comes on here about how his 16v turbo vauxhall is great compared to ours, he can be given the 'bird'...


On 26th Oct, 2004 Tom Fenton said:
Yep I agree with TD........


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Van's were quite loose IIRC around 5thou

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On 16th Nov, 2010 Sprocket said:
0.005" thrust is fine


I don't agree.. This is too much. If however going this loose, the bearings should be ground flat. If installing brand new ones this loos, they'll open up at least one thou after the first 18 revolutions. The brand new ones are far from flat.

On 13th Jul, 2012 Ben H said:
Mine gets in the way a bit, but only when it is up. If it is down it does not cause a problem.


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