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Stig

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Hi all

I have just seen an advert for a mk1 mini which has been reshelled using a 1990 new shell (probably a different mini I am assuming) according to the owner. Is that legal and if so how do I check it has been done legally or is it one of those best to avoid?

Edited by Stig on 10th Feb, 2011.


DaveVader

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Can only be reshelled into a brand new heritage shell.
You can't take the identification from a 1960 and stick it in a 1985 shell basically. Unless you did it in 1985 and bought the shell from BMC new.

Don't know how to check though.


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As said above, you can only re-shell using a heritage shell. Throwing old plates on a newer shell is ringing.

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wez

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People have been reshelling mini's for years, most pre 90-s shells had no id plates on the shell other than the vin. Chances are a lot of legit mini's (or believed legit) have been reshelled in this way.

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See if the VIN on the V5 matches the shell. I doubt it does somehow, 1990 Minis can't be tax exempt.


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If it was a Heritage shell, the seller should have the certificate from BMH which makes it 100% legal.

If not, although the current rules say it has to be a brand new shell, the rules were different 16 or more years ago so it would depend on when it was done (but it would have to be a very long time ago to justify it).

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mk1 mini which has external hinged and and other things

been reshelled using a 1990 new shell which has internal hinges......

surly its going to look like a 1990 mini not a mk1!!!!

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DaveVader

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As turbominij says, if the reshelling isn't done right it just looks like a fake.
External hinges, thinner rear window, different shape A panel.
I'd rather have a Mk1 than a ringer even if the ringer does save me 125quid a year.

But as has also been said... everyone does it, and there are plenty of magazine articles which tell you it has been done...

Edited by DaveVader on 10th Feb, 2011.


Stig

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The reason I ask is I have been lead to believe the dvla will be cracking down on this quite heavily and don't facing buying something that will end up in the crusher

Also just like to add I not after a mk1 per say as it will be turned into a track car it's just this car is local looks very good for the money, has solid body work and generally ticks all the boxes.

The only mk1 i can afford has a magicwand gear leaver which wouldn't be much help *frown*

Edited by Stig on 10th Feb, 2011.


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On 10th Feb, 2011 Stig said:
The reason I ask is I have been lead to believe the dvla will be cracking down on this quite heavily and don't facing buying something that will end up in the crusher


FWIW, as i understand it, it wont be crushed, just made to pass the test (IVA-new version of SVA) as it is basically a vehicle of indeterminate age, unless you can prove it was done before the rules came in which if its a mid 90's shell, you wont be able to as it cant have been!! It will also end up on a Q plate, and be subject to the same level of road tax everything else is......

But to be fair, if they really start cracking down on it, then about 90% of the cars on here are buggered!!! Modify the monocoque and its IVA time, meaning that unless youve left the bulkhead alone and turbo'd using a mirage kit or similar, then you (we) could be in a whole world of shit.....

Well worth having a good read over on ACE if you get some time, they are working really hard to tyr and actually converse with the powers that be, and not just let people like us (who are no doubt modifying, but doing so safely and for 'legitimate' reasons) be steamrollered!!

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Im sure I read years ago that reshelling into another shell (non heritage) is based on what parts are fitted from the car with the reg plate you are using, there was a points table relivent to different parts ie: engine, front subframe, rear subframe and so on, the term ringing is a bit servere for reshelling, as ringing is more a case of stealing a car and then swopping the plates and vin over for a log book you own.

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On 10th Mar, 2012 Joe C said:
TBH peple stick it everywhere... and theres merits to each...


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On 10th Feb, 2011 wez said:
Im sure I read years ago that reshelling into another shell (non heritage) is based on what parts are fitted from the car with the reg plate you are using, there was a points table relivent to different parts ie: engine, front subframe, rear subframe and so on, the term ringing is a bit servere for reshelling, as ringing is more a case of stealing a car and then swopping the plates and vin over for a log book you own.


Yes, as I mentioned earlier, the rules were different pre about '95 and it was on a points based system.

But proving it was done back in those rules is the hard part.

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Why don't you ask if the seller has the V5C for the shell. Then you can just make it the 1990 cat that it is.

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Is this from a seller up our way perchance? A mini shop?

On 10th Feb, 2011 Stig said:
Hi all

I have just seen an advert for a mk1 mini which has been reshelled using a 1990 new shell (probably a different mini I am assuming) according to the owner. Is that legal and if so how do I check it has been done legally or is it one of those best to avoid?

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Stig

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Here is the advert

Link for pictures

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2485554.htm

Advert text reads as below, its apparently a 1988 shell not a 1990 as i must have miss read it on my phone earlier, not that i think it would make any difference?

MOT till april
1964 reg so tax exempt with new 1988 shell.
The minis had thousands of pounds spent of it. As you can see. Interior and underneath are emmaculate.
The car looks incredible and turns heads everywhere it goes.
Adjustable coilovers all round
Grooved discs and uprated callipers and pads.
Full stainless
The paint has been rubbed through to the original in places and really could do with a respray but its not that bad and also a reason for such a low price.
Genuine reason for sale, learning to fly microlights and need money to continue learning!
Whoever buys this mini will have got themselves an absolute bargain and an absolute GEM of a mini!!


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Ringer all day long stay clear cant be a mk1 keep ya money in your pocket...


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If the owner has indead used a brand new shell and simply swapped all the origional parts over then it is perfectly lehgal surely, as with the old points system, anything new was considered origional.


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If all mini owners where completely honest then probably half the countries mini's would be crushed. There's loads of ringers about.


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It wasnt that long ago that people were selling V5's and plates for tax exempt cars.

one day boost will be mine!

On 10th Mar, 2012 Joe C said:
TBH peple stick it everywhere... and theres merits to each...


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On 10th Feb, 2011 wez said:
It wasnt that long ago that people were selling V5's and plates for tax exempt cars.



*hehe!* yep.


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Sure, almost owning a car is illegal these days

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My new shell never came with a heritage certificate, it was made by rover not bmh sold though minisport.


On 10th Feb, 2011 Rod S said:
If it was a Heritage shell, the seller should have the certificate from BMH which makes it 100% legal.

If not, although the current rules say it has to be a brand new shell, the rules were different 16 or more years ago so it would depend on when it was done (but it would have to be a very long time ago to justify it).

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Stig

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wolfie do you have any paper work, or just a minisport recipt to prove you have donw it the right way?

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