DVLA - engine size change - again...
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Yes, I know the problems have been posted before but if anyone want's to see what the letter you will (eventually) get back if you try to be honest, here's the one I received. Their response took nearly five weeks. This is for the second project, just trying to get the paperwork ready in advance.....



Now bear in mind I actually gave them the engine number of the 1275 engine I removed from the first car (so it will show as 1275, not 998 on their database) and actually stated on the V5C that it was overbored to 73mm to achieve 1360cc.

My reply,



I'm not after a fast response - somehow I don't think I'll get one.

I'm just glad I started this early.

Schrödinger's cat - so which one am I ???

they wont like that!

Unfortunately Rod they'l probably just throw your response straight in the bin.

All they are after is something semi-official looking providing information about the engine changes, so a headed print off from a local garage would qualify for this. You may well be perfectly capable of notifying them of all the changes they are required to know about, but without having any official appearance, they don't care it seems.

I've seen it time and time again on the 16v forums, and it seems like the only way to get it through without a hitch is as i've mentioned in my previous paragraph.

This is interesting, I need to change one of my log books colour and engine capacity and wondered how much hassle it would be.

I have a similar problem but I have no engine number and fitted it myself!

I had no complication changing mine from a 998 to a 1293. Came back a week or two later with the change made.

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It all seems to depend on who is dealing with it at DVLA, although our (Club) DVLA contact had been assured that these sort of problems have been addressed satisfactorily. !

There seems to be one or more self obsessed little twats at DVLA who like to wield the little bit of power they think that they have.

Good letter Rod. Let us know the response, if you get one.

Saul Bellow - "A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep."
Stephen Hawking - "The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge."

I hate the DVLA....

Well done. I hope that letter makes steam exit from that stupid womans (or mans) ears....

about 1 year ago i went to preston to the DVLA office to change my engine size from 998cc to 1310cc... however i do not have an engine number to give them. so on my v5 it says "Unknown" and the cc says 1310... the guy behind the counter asked me how i know its 1310cc, i said i have had the engine bored to +40 and i have bigger pistons on a standard 1275 crank. he then said "ok" ... its funny really cause my mini is called a city 1000 the mot man still thinks its a 1000cc car

It seems standard practise that no matter what you tell them, they come up with that response.

Oddly...on the V10 form or one of their forms. It does clearly state that when increasing capacity, NO evidence is required.
The only time evidence is required is when it is a capacity decrease.

Have to say though, I like your style !!!


edit.

Seems over here in Northern Ireland increasing capacity isnt a problem and requires no supporting evidence.

http://www.dvlni.gov.uk/vehicles/vehicle_f...10NI_110810.pdf

Yet with the DVLA any change up or down does require evidence. Says on their V70 form

9.85 @ 145mph
202mph standing mile
speed didn't kill me, but taxation probably will

if you try to be honest, here's the one I received. Their response took nearly five weeks. This is for the second project, just trying to get the paperwork ready in advance.....


Rod, dont be so honest with the numpties, they have no nounce! they are programed like a Zombie!!!!!

Ive often wondered if you do crash are they really going to take the head off and actually check the capacity? Espically if the engines the same colour as standard and has the correct engine number.

Well I just like to know that I'm driving something legal.

I will be ensuing battle with the dvla shortly with my engine.

with my turbo 1.4 astra engine change from a 1.6 16v .., i went into oxford dvla with a headed letter from my freindly garage ,and handed it over with the form ,that was it .papers came back in a fortnight i thnk it was .no drama.

Medusa + injection = too much torque for the dyno ..https://youtu.be/qg5o0_tJxYM

I think the easy solution is to find a decent AA / RAC employ and have a chat with them, invite them round, show them what you're car, have a few brews and get them to write an inspection report.

To be honest I think it is even easier than that. I type up a letter on headed paper (easy to make on a PC) from TF Autos to say that I have inspected the car in my role as technical officer of the turbominis owners club and am happy to certify that blah blah blah blah blah.....etc etc

I have started posting on Instagram also my name on there is turbomk1golf

Nothing is impossible it just costs more and takes longer.

a recipt for the rebore that states the size and engine number (make one up if it doesnt have one) should be all that is required.

What the DVLA are trying to do is verify independantly that it is what you say it is, but that then has its problems as can easily be seen in this thread

I had no issue changing the engine number to one I had clearly made up and stamped into the block. Since the MPi block have the numbers etched into them, after a 0.040" skim, the original number was illegible

It really wouldnt matter what any covering letter said or who wrote it.

You could write Mickey Mouse duck repairs on the headed paper. It's total bullshit and nothing but a paper excersize to keep retarded fuckwits in a job.

9.85 @ 145mph
202mph standing mile
speed didn't kill me, but taxation probably will

You can do what you like with an historic vehicle. They have just relaxed the rules so no silly letters needed if you change the engine.

Some interesting comments and suggestions. If it starts to become a major problem, Tom's idea sounds good. I'll see what affect my letter has first, it went yesterday (with the V5C included again so they can't ignore it).

Northern Ireland have the right approach, only requiring proof of a downsize (which could be revenue avoidance).

For a change that has no affect whatsoever on taxation class I can see no reason why I should provide "independant" proof - I sign the declaration at the bottom of the form, that should be enough IMO. It's enough for any other change, including ownership.

Schrödinger's cat - so which one am I ???

True, it is just nonsense.

And on some cars, engines get changed so often that even engine numbers are pretty worthless now.

I'd say that cars getting broken for parts like engines would be much rarer than it was 20-30 years ago.
It's probably a variety of other parts that cost a fortune that are more likely to get resold of stolen cars.

It's just the government and DVLA being arseholes as always

9.85 @ 145mph
202mph standing mile
speed didn't kill me, but taxation probably will

why should anybody care about engine size? its only to give the DVLA road tax OR the insurance to up your premium for the sake of having a bigger engine? i dont see why they are soo big on needing all this evidence for making your engine bigger?