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I have just seen this on TMF £650 is not bad.


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yeah didn't he have trouble getting them to fit his set up?


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Because of a minus shell, tbh i dont see why this would effect fitment as they are based on the std item?? So surely he will have trouble what ever he uses. If only i had 650 they are porn

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I can't understand why the inner arches on a Minus can't be modified. GRP is a piece of piss to work with. Slapping on a bit more GRP/repositioning in a clever manner will probably increase structural integrity.

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Can someone explain why you can't fit them without tubing the arches?

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i think the real problem was that the car these were going on, was a minus. now im not sure since i have never seen one in person, but the minus is fibreglass and about half inch smaller all round?

On 26th Oct, 2004 TurboDave16v said:
Is it A-Series only? I think it should be...
So when some joey comes on here about how his 16v turbo vauxhall is great compared to ours, he can be given the 'bird'...


On 26th Oct, 2004 Tom Fenton said:
Yep I agree with TD........


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The minus ahells i have seen were all pre tubbed arches, tbh prob running wide wheels and too low? I have seen quite a few of minuses with 13x7s they seem to be okay?

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i think your less likly to have issues with these then other arms, i mean.

You dont make mistakes when working with titanium, carl wouldnt make a product that wouldnt work or the wrong size simply through the cost of materials alone.

What baffles me, is, the car was designed to use standard components, these as far as im aware replace standard components. Ive never heard of anyone having this issue with carls arms before. I get the feeling this guy is probaly going to have issues whatever arms he puts on as the issue lies elsewhere in my opinion.

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OMG Robert that's a big one


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The trouble is that he has the ti rear beam too, so my guess is that width between the upper shock mounts is different. Which is why it doesn't fit, in my opinion it would much more sense to use standard dimension arms like these and a custom width beam.

There was a disscussion on here a while ago when he was trying to contact carl.


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I think that it is more due to the fact that he would need to run coil-overs and the rear upper shock mounting on the fibreglass shell will not take the load.

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On 21st Jun, 2011 Paul S said:
I think that it is more due to the fact that he would need to run coil-overs and the rear upper shock mounting on the fibreglass shell will not take the load.


My Sabre Sprint runs rear coilovers, but there is actually quite a lot of steel to strenghten the mounting points.

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On 2nd Jan, 2013 fastcarl said:

the design shows a distinct lack of imagination,
talk about starting off with a clean sheet of paper, then not bothering to fucking draw on it,lol

On 20th Apr, 2012 Paul S said:
I'm mainly concerned about swirl in the runners caused by the tangential entry.


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They are my arms. Minus' do take all standard running gear no problem and the beam and arms were supposed to be direct replacements! Fibreglass is relatively easy to work with (if done properly) but as i'd said i wouldn't want to tub my turrets because the shell would loose some of its structural integrity (which is a fact) which is very unfortunate for me as it means i cannot use the arms. I have built and rebuild several minus' in the past and even a sprint shell and i do know the ins and out of the shell and what is possible with it. I have picked my brain for many hours about the problem but there is no solution i would be happy with from both a safety factor and a longevity factor (which is a bit of a kick in the balls for the price i paid for them). I don't want to come off rude or sound like a know it all but these arms will not fit in an unmodified mini and ergo will not fit in a minus also. So unfortunately i have to sell them. I hope this has put a few peoples minds to rest.
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Sorry but if you can fit normal shocks the surely you can fit offset coilovers designed for non turreted minis?


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I dont think many of us understand why you would need to tub your rear arches. I think your goin to have to explain this one too us.

On 21st Jun, 2011 blue blood said:
They are my arms. Minus' do take all standard running gear no problem and the beam and arms were supposed to be direct replacements! Fibreglass is relatively easy to work with (if done properly) but as i'd said i wouldn't want to tub my turrets because the shell would loose some of its structural integrity (which is a fact) which is very unfortunate for me as it means i cannot use the arms. I have built and rebuild several minus' in the past and even a sprint shell and i do know the ins and out of the shell and what is possible with it. I have picked my brain for many hours about the problem but there is no solution i would be happy with from both a safety factor and a longevity factor (which is a bit of a kick in the balls for the price i paid for them). I don't want to come off rude or sound like a know it all but these arms will not fit in an unmodified mini and ergo will not fit in a minus also. So unfortunately i have to sell them. I hope this has put a few peoples minds to rest.
Kind Regards Blue :)

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OMG Robert that's a big one


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i have off set shocks. The reason why i can't fit them is because where the shocks connect to the arm its too thick. In the sense that there is more material on the arm than a standard arm which forces the coilover to be closer in. If you look at the pictures on TMF and have a look from the top side picture just have a look at the distance of material between the hub mounting stub to where the bolt is to attach the coilovers. Its alot bigger than a standard arms one. Hard to explain but there it is :)
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I cant see why you cant remold the area.

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OMG Robert that's a big one


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I would tend to agree. I have two GRP monocoque cars, and with a bit of thought I don't see how modifing the inner arch to move the mounting point could not be done in a way that would not affect the structure.

Certinally a cheaper option than selling the arms at a massive loss then having to buy some new ones.

On 21st Jun, 2011 Sam said:
I cant see why you cant remold the area.

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On 2nd Jan, 2013 fastcarl said:

the design shows a distinct lack of imagination,
talk about starting off with a clean sheet of paper, then not bothering to fucking draw on it,lol

On 20th Apr, 2012 Paul S said:
I'm mainly concerned about swirl in the runners caused by the tangential entry.


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Those things are dead sexy, and must weight next to nothing! Stop trying to sway blue blood, and someone snap these up! Hahaha!

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If it were me, I'd just chop a section off the shock mounting point to bring the shock back into the correct position. Then re-machine the bung in the end and have it welded back on. I bit of a ball ache, but only an afternoons work, and would be worth it in the long run! *oh well*

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blue blood

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yeah you could remould turrets but it won't be as strong and its having all the rears weight on it so i can't put my pride and joy at risk along with my safety as i will be driving it as a daily car once finished. Anyway for £650 they are a bargain for anyone


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On 21st Jun, 2011 blue blood said:
yeah you could remould turrets but it won't be as strong and its having all the rears weight on it so i can't put my pride and joy at risk along with my safety as i will be driving it as a daily car once finished. Anyway for £650 they are a bargain for anyone


why do you keep bleeting on about if you changed the turrets it wont be as strong.......if you did it properly they would be! You were moaning over on 16v as well. I can't get my head round you wanting to take such a hit on the price instead of altering the turret points.

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I can't imagine those turrets are solid, they would be more than likely machined hollow, or simply a tube with a welded bung in the end.

A 20-30mm light interferance fit bung welded in the end, would easily be strong enough.

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On 21st Jun, 2011 blue blood said:
i have off set shocks. The reason why i can't fit them is because where the shocks connect to the arm its too thick. In the sense that there is more material on the arm than a standard arm which forces the coilover to be closer in. If you look at the pictures on TMF and have a look from the top side picture just have a look at the distance of material between the hub mounting stub to where the bolt is to attach the coilovers. Its alot bigger than a standard arms one. Hard to explain but there it is :)
Regards Blue


Thanks, that makes sense now, when I think of tubing arches I always think of cutting back the outer arches to allow the car to run lower and could not get round why you'd need to do that for a pair of suspension arms.

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cant the arm be moved outwards at the beam end by the amount its too thick at the shock mount ?

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