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![]() 8604 Posts Member #: 573 Formerly Axel Podland |
7th Dec, 2012 at 02:46:52pm
Following on from my CFD studies on inlet manifolds, I thought that as it's now too cold to spend much time in the workshop, I could at least attempt to do a CFD study on a 5 port head using Solidworks Flow Simulation to do a full transient analysis.
Edited by Paul S on 7th Dec, 2012. Saul Bellow - "A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep."
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389 Posts Member #: 9751 Senior Member Derbyshire |
7th Dec, 2012 at 03:56:15pm
Im going to keep my eye on this one, I use Ansys fluent for my work, if you require any help give me a shout.
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![]() 90 Posts Member #: 9838 Advanced Member |
7th Dec, 2012 at 05:32:51pm
What you need is a laser scanner company..... which my colleagues son is just about to set up Steve
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![]() 690 Posts Member #: 1851 Post Whore Woolavington, Zummerzet |
7th Dec, 2012 at 06:10:23pm
Did you section the end exhaust ports as well ? Metric is for people who can't do fractions. |
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![]() 8604 Posts Member #: 573 Formerly Axel Podland |
7th Dec, 2012 at 06:13:25pm
That is the end exhaust port cut vertically. I just cut the siamese port horiz.
Saul Bellow - "A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep."
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![]() 8604 Posts Member #: 573 Formerly Axel Podland |
8th Dec, 2012 at 10:14:36pm
Work in progress on the inlet port:
Edited by Paul S on 8th Dec, 2012. Saul Bellow - "A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep."
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![]() 8604 Posts Member #: 573 Formerly Axel Podland |
9th Dec, 2012 at 04:56:45pm
No progress today, but managed to work out how to find out the flow rate.
Saul Bellow - "A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep."
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389 Posts Member #: 9751 Senior Member Derbyshire |
9th Dec, 2012 at 05:25:13pm
I don't know about solidworks flow, but in Ansys you can setup moving zones for your transient analysis which could be used to move the valve up and down.
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![]() 8604 Posts Member #: 573 Formerly Axel Podland |
9th Dec, 2012 at 05:59:51pm
I can do Motion Studies of a moving valve, but can't integrate that with the Flow Simulation.
Saul Bellow - "A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep."
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1767 Posts Member #: 9165 Previously josh4444 Australia, brisbane |
10th Dec, 2012 at 11:55:39am
this will be interesting
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![]() 8604 Posts Member #: 573 Formerly Axel Podland |
10th Dec, 2012 at 01:00:31pm
Put a static valve in for now at 9mm lift. Added a few fillets and chamfers to replicate the casting and re-ran the analysis:
Saul Bellow - "A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep."
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![]() 8604 Posts Member #: 573 Formerly Axel Podland |
10th Dec, 2012 at 01:04:36pm
A "Cut Plot" shows a bit more:
Saul Bellow - "A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep."
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![]() 4890 Posts Member #: 1775 Post Whore Chester |
10th Dec, 2012 at 01:14:34pm
Rimflows? I run a supercharger and I don't care the TB is on the wrong side.
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![]() 8604 Posts Member #: 573 Formerly Axel Podland |
10th Dec, 2012 at 01:44:52pm
Pressure "Cut Plot" shows that the main restriction is the valve guide/boss:
Saul Bellow - "A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep."
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![]() 580 Posts Member #: 9580 Post Whore Surrey |
10th Dec, 2012 at 02:12:11pm
My head hurts again! |
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![]() 6549 Posts Member #: 1149 #1 Basshunter Fan Force Racing ICT Dept Manager Miglia Turbo Am frum Yokshyer tha noes! |
10th Dec, 2012 at 03:04:04pm
Yep mine too,
On 10th Dec, 2012 shellspeed said:
My head hurts again! 1/4 Mile 14.3secs 96Mph Terminal 10psi of boost.
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388 Posts Member #: 442 Senior Member Manchester |
11th Dec, 2012 at 11:37:57pm
I thought a standard 998 casting would look alot worse than that on flow. |
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![]() 834 Posts Member #: 2017 Post Whore Warwick. |
12th Dec, 2012 at 07:24:37pm
I find CFD study quite interesting... just wish i knew more about it to delve and understand it David. |
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![]() 11046 Posts Member #: 965 Post Whore Preston On The Brook |
12th Dec, 2012 at 08:02:23pm
Flow at full lift only shows how good the port is. Lift up to ~1.5mm shows how bad the valve is. Edited by Sprocket on 12th Dec, 2012. On 26th Oct, 2004 TurboDave16v said:
Is it A-Series only? I think it should be... So when some joey comes on here about how his 16v turbo vauxhall is great compared to ours, he can be given the 'bird'... On 26th Oct, 2004 Tom Fenton said:
Yep I agree with TD........ |
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![]() 8604 Posts Member #: 573 Formerly Axel Podland |
12th Dec, 2012 at 09:00:43pm
Not much progress as I'm having to do CFD type work for a living this week. I did find a few cock-ups on what I have done, so I'll update the results as soon as.
Edited by Paul S on 12th Dec, 2012. Saul Bellow - "A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep."
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389 Posts Member #: 9751 Senior Member Derbyshire |
12th Dec, 2012 at 09:19:02pm
What's your residuals like? The pressure spike at the base of the valve could be due to poor meshing or mesh type? I would expect it to elevate but that looks high. Not that I've got anything to back it up with in terms of cylinder head simulations. I'm more Venturi's and pipework.
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![]() 140 Posts Member #: 10115 Advanced Member Sydney, Australia |
12th Dec, 2012 at 10:38:58pm
Air/fluid flow dynamics are interesting. I dont undersyand it all but the graphics do help
On 12th Dec, 2012 Sprocket said:
Flow at full lift only shows how good the port is. Lift up to ~1.5mm shows how bad the valve is. |
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![]() 12307 Posts Member #: 565 Carlos Fandango Burnham-on-Crouch, Essex |
12th Dec, 2012 at 10:57:03pm
yep, the first flow issue will be the guide boss,
On 28th Aug, 2011 Kean said:
At the risk of being sigged... Joe, do you have a photo of your tool? http://www.turbominis.co.uk/forums/index.p...9064&lastpost=1 https://joe1977.imgbb.com/ |
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![]() 8604 Posts Member #: 573 Formerly Axel Podland |
13th Dec, 2012 at 10:28:25am
Yes, the seat edges can be filleted with whatever radius and I can move the valve nearer the seat.
Saul Bellow - "A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep."
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![]() 12307 Posts Member #: 565 Carlos Fandango Burnham-on-Crouch, Essex |
13th Dec, 2012 at 01:11:58pm
Soooo..... bigger inlet valves on the centre cyl;inders then! lol On 28th Aug, 2011 Kean said:
At the risk of being sigged... Joe, do you have a photo of your tool? http://www.turbominis.co.uk/forums/index.p...9064&lastpost=1 https://joe1977.imgbb.com/ |
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