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Paul S

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Matt,

At least your claimed hp can be backed up by science.

By my calcs 24psi on a 1293 at 7000rpm will put out 237hp.

The Ozzie claim of 244hp at 16 psi is laughable.

Saul Bellow - "A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep."
Stephen Hawking - "The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge."


Miniwilliams

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not sure how you got that mate but your figs look bloody close. I have a little less than that as i rev a little less, but very impressive.

Best 1/4 mile 13.2 seconds @116 mph
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Paul S

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It's simply done by calculating the airflow based on engine capacity, compressor efficiency, intercooler efficiency and engine volumetric efficiency.

From the air flow you can work out the horsepower using the air fuel ratio and brake specific fuel consumption.

There is a lot of guess work but it shows which claims are bollocks!

The above 237hp is without NOS by the way.


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stevieturbo

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What sort of trap speeds do you manage ?? They are usually a good comparator fo power levels.

ET's can vary wildly, but traps should be failry consistent.

How do they compare with other similar weight cars over the 1/4 ?

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Joe C

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worth plugging them figs into this, and scanning the maps.

http://www.motorgeek.com/index.php?page=6

On 28th Aug, 2011 Kean said:
At the risk of being sigged...

Joe, do you have a photo of your tool?



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Surely you know yours IS the most powerful Matt.
(Well done by the way)
Paul

I seriously doubt it!


t3gav

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whats the new figure then matt? :)


Miniwilliams

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Well alex that's great very impressed mate, cheers for the pdf showing me. and cheers for the other link mini13, i will give it a go, just don't know what half the stuff in the boxes are, but there you go *blush*

Paul, not really mate that was why i asked, as there always seems to be someone that bigger and better then what ever you do, so it's why i'm asking.

Hi Steve, not really wanting the post to be about my car and it's speeds, just trying to see about other cars powers *wink*

Best 1/4 mile 13.2 seconds @116 mph
First 5 port miniturbo to make over 200 bhp on a carb?
First 5 port miniturbo to make over 200 bhp on Injection?

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JT

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what about that a series that morspeed did?
with 300bhp with the clutch slipping? or doesnt the count as i think it was with a 16valve head?


so what mag are you going to be in matt?
and when will it be out?

cheers
josh

Edited by JT on 23rd Nov, 2006.

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Miniwilliams

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Hi josh yes was really after an a series with the good old 5 porter*wink*

Nothings been set in stone about the mag, but i will let you know when i get news for sure, look silly if i start saying now and it doesn't happen.

Best 1/4 mile 13.2 seconds @116 mph
First 5 port miniturbo to make over 200 bhp on a carb?
First 5 port miniturbo to make over 200 bhp on Injection?

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Joe C

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Well I think that any 200+ powered A series mini owners would have found their way onto this site or at least to an event where someone from here was,

the mere fact that we haven't heard of them suggests to me there isn't any more out there (not real ones anyway!)

Miniwilliams do you run some funky custom cam? initialy i was thinking that if your running a phase 2 then the aus motor could give the same power at less boost if its running an RE13 as it is a pretty aggressive cam (from what i've heard), but i'm sure that i remember a post hinting at somthing special from kent cams in your engine, and besides 16 psi sounds to low boost for that power as stated above.


On 28th Aug, 2011 Kean said:
At the risk of being sigged...

Joe, do you have a photo of your tool?



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JT

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imo
it depends what rr you go to at the end of the day as there all a bit differnt!!

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Miniwilliams

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Yes i can see what your saying mini13, but you never know. Yes your right it's not a Phase 2 cam.
Josh, your right mate.

Best 1/4 mile 13.2 seconds @116 mph
First 5 port miniturbo to make over 200 bhp on a carb?
First 5 port miniturbo to make over 200 bhp on Injection?

http://www.mattwoodsphotography.com


Joe C

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yep, best to check to be sure though...

On 28th Aug, 2011 Kean said:
At the risk of being sigged...

Joe, do you have a photo of your tool?



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Jimster
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On 23rd of Nov, 2006 at 05:01pm josh_tacon said:
what about that a series that morspeed did?
with 300bhp with the clutch slipping? or doesnt the count as i think it was with a 16valve head?


so what mag are you going to be in matt?
and when will it be out?

cheers
josh


what engine was that then???

Team Racing

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I think the welsh one has it right!


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what are you looking for Jim?


BENROSS

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Incidentally mat, you can answer this or not ?
Whats the cam your running ?

It would be nice for you to give us the full spec of your motor

It would be a good thing to have a few more 200 Bhp+ motors on the road to bash all chavs and barryboys.*wink*

If you don’t want to
well I can see why *wink*






JT

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i carnt find the thread now jim.

im sure thats why turbo dave was soting out a clutch to handle alot of power!
im sure it was morspeed that made it/
whats his user name on the site and ill see if i can find the link.

cheers
josh

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barkiboi

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Did that post turn out to be a cock and bull story, wasnt it with the k1100 head and the person who wrote it said the clutch slip it was on a engine dyno and not a rolling road, i am no genium but dont engine dynos run straight off the crank or fly wheel


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Lets please stick to facts that people have witnessed first hand or have other cast iron proof about.


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TurboDave16V
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Hey guys,

I'm seeing one common trait here; Matt is clearly keeping his cam profile to himself. Way I see it - that's fine... He's clearly found something that works for him; either through R&D or plain good luck. He's alreay told us more than some 'high power' folks about what boost / etc he's running...

What you need to remember is that you aren't the only one that reads these posts...

I do know - and I believe this was posted in the VERY early days of TM - is that Matt tried the ph2, and it didn't give the results he was hoping for, so reverted back to his previous grind.

I'm sure if someone searches hard enough, they'll find the post.

One thing is for sure; the cam grind itself isn't going to 'make or break' a turbo engine. The cam timing, the turbo compressor trim, the turbine A/R, the state of the turbine wheel, the valve sizes, the rpm limit, the fuelling, the compression ratio, etc, etc, etc, all come together to make the bananas. Read books, expeiment with different turbos, different cams, etc.

You'll find the results yourself eventually.

Edited by TurboDave16V on 24th Nov, 2006.

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Joe C

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yep, i agree,

I was just thinking in terms of PH2 verses RE13, which i think will be an interesting comparison, I know the PH3 has been tested against the RE13 but not the PH2 yet AFAIK

I suspected that Matt had something different in his engine, which is fine and he has every right not to divulge what it is, but if he just had a PH2 then I see no harm in him telling us that.

oh, when i say RE13 I mean one ground on a wide LCA, around 112-114 degrees.

On 28th Aug, 2011 Kean said:
At the risk of being sigged...

Joe, do you have a photo of your tool?



http://www.turbominis.co.uk/forums/index.p...9064&lastpost=1

https://joe1977.imgbb.com/



TurboDave16V
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Sounds like the RE13T cam could be interesting; but it is pointless someone testing it and repoting good stuff on a R5GT turbo'd engine with 14psi and a high-ish CR, then assuming that it'll work the same magic on a engine running a low CR and a big T3.

I'm running a stock MG grind as I wanted to 'baseline' a cam on injection (including swinging the cam timing) before trying other grinds on the same turbocharger, CR, and head that I intend to use until I get bored of minis. That is the only real world way to optimise a camshaft. Changing other variables invalidates the results.

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Hedgemonkey

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I heard about some methanol/avgas supercharged oddity which gave 300hp on an engine brake. Think I read about it here somewhere. It was an inline engine and used a mutant hybrid clutch and a ford box IIRC

Bugger off, I'm getting there.


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thats what i done dave changed from williys cam to another to see the difference but ill be changing back next year as willys was better at the bottom.

but thats the only way to see differences like t3tone has done.

eg 276 with 1.5 rockers changed to 1.3's with no power loss but went to 266 and lost 7 bannanas but smother at the bottom.

always looking for them bigger bunches of bannanas

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