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Ive just remembered I was in my boot fixing my fuel line when suddenly i got eaten up by my boot.

I know the Culprit!!!!

Back once again like a renegade master

Edited by Sprocket on 23rd Jul, 2008.

Nitrous is ok to use - in the right class. my take on it is that the road going series have never allowed nitrous in the past - I'm going back a few years here, its only recently where people have been allowed to take part whilst running it. If bmc wants to run it this way they need to change the wording for the classes to keep it clear.

If Carling made Mini engines
it would probably be like this one!

I think it's all irrelevant now. This years show was so quiet that MITP will take over, where the rules are more clear (although I think there is room for improvement in the class structure).

Unless the BMC make BIG changes the mini showdown will continue to head towards the mini letdown.

Fastest 998 mini in the world? 13.05 1/4 mile 106mph

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exactly,

anything goes, perfectly clear lol.

Extract from http://www.solware.co.uk/nitrous-oxide-kit...xide-faqs.shtml

Q) Is nitrous legal on road cars?

A) The legality of nitrous use on the road varies from country to country, even within the EU. However, contrary to what many people believe (including some police officers) nitrous oxide injection is legal for road use in the UK and many other countries (just as are turbo chargers and superchargers). According to the Ministry of Transport, the Highway Code and the MOT handbook there is no law prohibiting the use of nitrous injection. However just as with any tuning modification, the owner must inform their insurance company and obtain adequate cover otherwise any performance modification would be illegal. Therefore the only way you will break the law by having your street car fitted with a nitrous kit in the UK, is if you fail to inform your insurance company that you have one. Insuring a nitrous injected vehicle has become easier since WON joined forces with Adrian Flux to provide all their customers with a better chance of obtaining adequate insurance cover. Some other insurance companies such as Greenlight Insurance also offer cover for nitrous equipped cars.

There is a degree of confusion over the need to have a hazard warning sticker on the outside of the car. We previously explained that nitrous oxide is neither a flammable nor a hazardous gas but it is an oxidiser. There is a legal requirement for commercial vehicles to display a suitable sticker but this does not apply to private vehicles, which are not even obliged to display a green compressed gas sticker. However, displaying such a warning sticker might well be advantageous to you and the emergency services if you were to be involved in any kind of accident, as this would inform them that you were carrying a container of compressed oxidiser.

Extract from http://www.britishminiclub.co.uk/mambo/ind...d=158&Itemid=70

ROAD LEGAL CLASSES

* Class A (850cc to 1100cc)
* Class B (1101 cc to 1300cc)
* Class C (1301cc to 1480cc)
* Class D Forced induction eg. Turbo, Supercharged
* Class E New MINI One
* Class F New MINI Cooper & S


RACE MINI CLASSES

* Class G Race Mini (steel bodyshell) up tp 1300cc
* Class H Race Mini ( Steel body shell) Unlimited cc, Turbo, Supercharged or Nitro's
* Class I Specials, e.g. Space Framed, Non Mini Engined cars, Misfits and Mini Based Kit cars etc
* Class J Rear Wheel drive Minis, unlimited cc

Looking at that, class D clearly states forced induction,and the operative word 'eg' ( for example) turbo, supercharged

that statement to me is not closed, meaning there are other examples??

look at the race class H

turbo, supercharged, or Nitro's



I vote that nitro road legal cars are class D

Runs for cover

Edited by Sprocket on 23rd Jul, 2008.

Edited by fastcarl on 23rd Jul, 2008.

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I think someone is confusing nitro and nitrous

Paul

I seriously doubt it!

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No worries mate, but im thinking of running nitrous now, no turbo, and this puts me in the middle of the dispute where those in the ABC classes dont want Nitrous, and those in the turbo class seem to say the same? question is why, peaple are preaching road legality issues when itsd not. I respect Paul's concern about those who would turn up the gas in the ABC classes and get the results.

I can understand those in the ABC classes points of view, but those in class D, wheres the problem?

Is the turbo class in such concern that Nitrous cars will out perform them?, after all you could just wind up the boost and break the engine in a similar manor to some one turning up the gas??

I dont have nitrous, only considering it, but i think a lot of this debate arises from those in the past who hid there nitrous systems, and i wouldnt know who did or didnt, thats not what im getting at. It has obviously happened in the past for it to be an issue

All BMC need to do is add 'or nitrous' to the end of class D

I think they mistakenly left it off

Is there anyone running nitro methane? that i didnt know

I have emailed Dave Hollis, Ill copy n paste his reply on the issue.
If it is allowed then fair enough, I will use it myself, but obviously its best if its clear whether or not it is allowed.

Paul

I seriously doubt it!

For the record the DON has never run Nitrous at either this years or last years Mini Showdown.

Last year it was fitted and we were planning to try it on Sunday afternoon when the timed runs had finished, obviously with the rain this never happened.
This year the bottle was removed before (our first go at) scrutineering on saturday and stayed in the boot of my Audi estate until I took it out and put it back in the garage on Monday.

I seriously doubt it!

I've decided to stand out of this debate having been served and told of events that are different as I recall seeing with my own eyes. Hidden bottles my arse.

All I will say on my final note is that the BMC have known for YEARS that this is an issue. Hell, I even wrote it in the 2005(?) minimag event report about the lack of clarity in this area.

It sounds like Jim picked the right weekend to have his wedding personally speaking - It seems to me that the fun of the event has long gone - only the banter keeps it as somethign worth putting on the calendar.

there is quite a easy answer to this which would be have a class for road leagal with nitrous which would include all a,b and c class cars not d class but alow nitrous there as well as you can not expect a road legal car to compete against the likes of john hstons race car

Well there were no dodgems this year, so that was a BIG letdown as no one could get injured on the saturday night

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WTF!

WOW - an answer!

anyone here in class a?

im running in that next year.

k headed 850 bored to 68mm.