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jamesfawcett

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I like the way the both 10s and 13s handle, but overall i preffer 13s as i do alot of driving at constant speeds on my journeys, not just accelerating and cornering like track day minis.

The big scary thing about 13x7's is in the wet though, they are alot less forgiving than 10s and slide alot easier.

I am never getting 10's ever again though after my experience driving back from Plymouth to Leeds in the rain on the motorway. There were puddles everynow and then, and if i hit one it was uncontrolable over 50mph, that was with new falklen tyres on. It really threw the car side to side when hitting water.

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Theres your answer!

Falken!

On 26th Oct, 2004 TurboDave16v said:
Is it A-Series only? I think it should be...
So when some joey comes on here about how his 16v turbo vauxhall is great compared to ours, he can be given the 'bird'...


On 26th Oct, 2004 Tom Fenton said:
Yep I agree with TD........


Leonard

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my thoughts exactly ms




jamesfawcett

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lol really? are they bad tyres then? I have to admit i had 10inch steelies and £7 skinny budget tyres on my clubman estate and it handled alot better lol

Previous Engine: 1040cc Morespeed engine, 1275 turbo head T2 Turbo Mirage Manifolds Megajolt
Previous engine: STD metro turbo, megajolt
Drives: 399bananahp (flywheel) Honda Civic Vtec b18c4 T28 Turbo 1968 Mini

Megajolt maps to download: http://www.jamesfawcett.co.uk/cms/index.ph...&gid=3&Itemid=3


Leonard

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i found falkens let go very suddenly in the wet, theyre dangerous imho




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I plan to buy a MPI, sell the 13" sportpack wheels and fit a nice set of 10" :)

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JT

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yep falkens are a big NO NO!!! imo
10 mph if that going right on a small mini rondabout and it didnt like it 1 bit!
luckily there were no other cars around as that could of been nasty!
yoko A008 are much better in the wet and dry imo!
(thats one 10)

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On 18th of Oct, 2006 at 09:16pm feebleuk said:
lol really? are they bad tyres then? I have to admit i had 10inch steelies and £7 skinny budget tyres on my clubman estate and it handled alot better lol


Skinny tyres (no matter how cheap and crap) will always be better than a big fat tyre in the wet. WRC/all rally cars are a great example of skinny tyres working in wet/slippery conditions.

Fastest 998 mini in the world? 13.05 1/4 mile 106mph



On 2nd Jan, 2013 fastcarl said:

the design shows a distinct lack of imagination,
talk about starting off with a clean sheet of paper, then not bothering to fucking draw on it,lol

On 20th Apr, 2012 Paul S said:
I'm mainly concerned about swirl in the runners caused by the tangential entry.


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feeble, try 195/45/13 dunlop sp 9000's, if your drive your mini in the rain you will wonder how the hell you lived without them.. im just about to buy me second set :) the traction and grip is incredible.

turbo 16v k-series 11.9@118.9 :)

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On 19th of Oct, 2006 at 07:51am wil_h said:



On 18th of Oct, 2006 at 09:16pm feebleuk said:
lol really? are they bad tyres then? I have to admit i had 10inch steelies and £7 skinny budget tyres on my clubman estate and it handled alot better lol


Skinny tyres (no matter how cheap and crap) will always be better than a big fat tyre in the wet. WRC/all rally cars are a great example of skinny tyres working in wet/slippery conditions.


I think thats a very broad sweeping statement to make. I would imagine that the rally cars skinny tyres, are still wider than a regular Mini tyre....so why dont they go thinner still if thinner is better ??

Tread compound, tread pattern etc are mega important.

In most circumstances, I'd still choose more rubber on the ground.
A thinner tyre may have more resistance to aquaplaning, but aquaplaning and wet/damp surface traction are 2 very different things.

Its weird when I rem back...I dont actually think Ive ever driven a road going Mini with 10" wheels !!!

My first 13" wheel used 175/50 A008's and I thought they were superb on my then 1000cc car.
For budget reasons, they were a one off purchase. After that I was on 165/65x13 Goodyear NCT2's
Damn good tyre also, and very good wearing too. Im sure I got around 40k from the rears.

When I came into a bit of money again I bought some 175/50 A008s again.
Damn those tyres are crap in the wet.... And to be honest, how they felt on the road was horrible !!!
The 165/65 NCT2's were far better tyres. They may not have had the ultimate grip of a dry A008, but as they were a little more forgiving, generally it was easier, and safer to drive faster using them.

9.85 @ 145mph
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speed didn't kill me, but taxation probably will


JT

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yes but minis are alot lighter than WRC cars!!
that must count for somthing surley??

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stevieturbo

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They may be....but more rubber on the ground = more traction.

Sounds like a simple concept.

In an aquaplaning situation, then I would prpbably say yes, thinner is better....but how do you decide how thin is better ?

9.85 @ 145mph
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speed didn't kill me, but taxation probably will


j_d_jag_mini

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My turbo mini runs the 7 "wide 13" wheels with 195/45/13 dunlop sp tyres.
The reason why i went to them when building my car is that they would fit over the metro brakes and second reason is i think they look great.
I think it handles like it is on rails...but this is only the case in lower speeds until i reach doing 100 - 120km/h on sharp bending corners.
I have exceeded its limit a few times and spun.
The thing i do hate about these wheels is how they feel and respond at the wheel, over uneven dips, bumps and holes in the road....which we seem to have alot in the country roads out my way in N.Z

I have also have a mk1 850 mini that i use everyday...it runs 165/70/10's.
It handles great on corners, has alittle more body roll tho especially compared to turbo mini.
But i have found i can get around the same corners faster and when winding her up to full throttle 140 km/h !*tongue*
I can drive into the corner faster...turn quicker..and exit just as fast.
In wet weather this is also the case with the mk1... the turbo mini is horrible to drive in the wet.
Also with less braking too and i havent spun my mk1 mini out yet either.

If i take the winding route home i can get home in the same time as i can in the turbo. The mk1 not having anywhere near the speed or accerlation on the straight roads that the turbo has.

So yeah...i say fat 10 inch wheels all the way if you want to be quick as on the corners and still run relatively standard suspension.*happy*

1975 MkIII Morris Mini 1300 Turbo, 100bhp...if only it could run long enough to drive it legally!


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On 19th of Oct, 2006 at 08:21pm stevieturbo said:



On 19th of Oct, 2006 at 07:51am wil_h said:



On 18th of Oct, 2006 at 09:16pm feebleuk said:
lol really? are they bad tyres then? I have to admit i had 10inch steelies and £7 skinny budget tyres on my clubman estate and it handled alot better lol


Skinny tyres (no matter how cheap and crap) will always be better than a big fat tyre in the wet. WRC/all rally cars are a great example of skinny tyres working in wet/slippery conditions.


I think thats a very broad sweeping statement to make. I would imagine that the rally cars skinny tyres, are still wider than a regular Mini tyre....so why dont they go thinner still if thinner is better ??

Tread compound, tread pattern etc are mega important.

In most circumstances, I'd still choose more rubber on the ground.
A thinner tyre may have more resistance to aquaplaning, but aquaplaning and wet/damp surface traction are 2 very different things.

Its weird when I rem back...I dont actually think Ive ever driven a road going Mini with 10" wheels !!!

My first 13" wheel used 175/50 A008's and I thought they were superb on my then 1000cc car.
For budget reasons, they were a one off purchase. After that I was on 165/65x13 Goodyear NCT2's
Damn good tyre also, and very good wearing too. Im sure I got around 40k from the rears.

When I came into a bit of money again I bought some 175/50 A008s again.
Damn those tyres are crap in the wet.... And to be honest, how they felt on the road was horrible !!!
The 165/65 NCT2's were far better tyres. They may not have had the ultimate grip of a dry A008, but as they were a little more forgiving, generally it was easier, and safer to drive faster using them.


Quite right, I was thinking of aquaplaning only really, puddles and standing water situations.

On the hillclimber, unless there is standing water, we always keep the slicks on in the wet.

Fastest 998 mini in the world? 13.05 1/4 mile 106mph



On 2nd Jan, 2013 fastcarl said:

the design shows a distinct lack of imagination,
talk about starting off with a clean sheet of paper, then not bothering to fucking draw on it,lol

On 20th Apr, 2012 Paul S said:
I'm mainly concerned about swirl in the runners caused by the tangential entry.


JT

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im planning on running the wheels & brakes i have atm on my 998 with 10s (minispares 4 pots) without a servo braided hoses all round, hope thats good enough!! ill just have to stamp realy hard lol
i dont want to change to a bigger wheel reali as 10s are great on mini imo!!

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ahh, cheers guys, a timely topic,

I was about to by a set of falkans to replace my 008's thinking they'd be better in the wet.

can anyone recomend a good tyre in the wet for a daily driver? or sall i just go for 008's again?

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Joe, do you have a photo of your tool?



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I personally used Falkens a few years ago in both 165/70/10 and 165/60/12, and personally found them to be a decent tyre, a good compromise between grip/wear/cost......


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Nic

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i quite liked my 12" falkens too

008's in the wet are something else!!


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Carlos Fandango

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ok, for the price I may give the falkens a go then, they can't be worse than the 08's

the roads are REALLY shit here, its potholes and puddles galore, and big cracks ect, more like farm tracks really, maybe i should get some rally tyres *oh well*

On 28th Aug, 2011 Kean said:
At the risk of being sigged...

Joe, do you have a photo of your tool?



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Are A032R's worse or better than A008's in the wet? My mini is downgraded to a weekend only car now to I don't mind the A032R's being softer. Every tyre dealer has a different story to tell about A032Rs.

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Nic

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considerably better


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iv heard people say that the A008's are rubbish in the wet but i find them to be very good in the wet compaired to falkens!!
i wouldnt use falkens ever again by choice!
were i live theres loads of pot holes/crap roads, and i find A008 very good, i might get the A032R's on when iv got the turbo lump in and not doing as many miles etc (i take it there better in the dry aswell?)

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Yes better in the dry but one tire "expert" told me the moment it rains "youll be in the hedge" with the A032R's. I got a quote for £42 for the 32's and not that much less for the A008s and I do nill miles a year now in the mini. Might splash out then.

On 7th Nov, 2008 Nic said:
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