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My house has a 100amp incomer, i supose you could fit a VERY large single phase jobbie, id expect your neighbours to complain though with the transient dip when you switch it on would cause everyones lighting in the street to flicker. LOL

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On 29th of Sep, 2007 at 12:21am neilj1678 said:
I was assuming it was a step up Tx as the post said 220 to 455 but you've got a good point Mr Sprocket.
Robert, what connections have you got on the Tx, have you actually got enough to confirm it is 3ph in and out?
If not, why not just do your invertor thingy to give you the 3ph 230 and then see if you can wire the motor up as delta? They are normally easy to change by moving links inside the terminal box, the motor data plate should give you some info.


yes i have done that before neil , unfortunately ,withis motor ,its encapsuated wire ends star wound 3 speed motor ,,,2.5/2/1.5 hp from the year 1963 ,and its a bit more sensitive to voltage stability on the 3 legs .the tranny is a 3 ph type ,constructed like a b shaped laminated frame with 3 times foot long coils ,and 4 terminals per coil ,must weigh 100k's!
if it runs 230 into it that gives a 476 volts out i think ?

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A mate of mine has converted his to single, I'll have a chat with him and let you know exactly what he did.

It does make the lights flicker aswell, when its switched on. *laughing*

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I just took the easy route and converted mine to a 3HP 240V motor and it's working fine, really didn't need 3HP but as I had one .....

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i asked my old man, he converted our big compressor form 3ph to 1ph... but by fitting a single ph motor...sorry

good luck anyhow

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On 28th of Sep, 2007 at 10:27pm neilj1678 said:
It's a bit high but within 10% (just) which is generally considered acceptable. You might find your motor is stamped up as 415/440 anyway in which case it's only 15v high. Also, can you rig up your invertor to chuck out a little less than 220 so you will get less than 455 out of the Tx?


still looking at this niel ,if i put 230v into a 220/455 v transformer .what do i get out of the high side then is it a simple ratio step up ?

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Yes a transformer is a simple turns ratio. However 230v mains is a nominal voltage anyway so putting 230v in will be fine. The thing you have to watch, obviously is the current rating of the transformer.

To answer your question though, if you put in 230v you will get out 475.

I am still confused about how you are getting 3ph though???

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what you do ben is search rotary ph converter on google !!lol
seriuosly ,what happens is as far as iv understood , yourun a 3 ph motor on live 230 and neutral to 2 of the connections ,and a capacitor to the 3rd which puts that leg out of ph ,so it runs ,usually up to 2/3 rd of full normal power , then you run 3 leads off this motor to your 3 ph motor you need to run ,and the 1st motor creats an induced 3rd ph of much greater stability and powr ,and this can then run a full 3 ph ....i think .

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So why do you need the transformer?

I thought that 3 phase is just three phases at 230v to neutral and the 415v refers to the phase to phase voltage. Might be wrong.

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All sounds a bit complex to me.

I agree Axel 415v is normally measured ph to ph, so a 230v supply ph to ph would be 415v.

I am guessing Robert that this is to drive your new lathe?

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Yes ph to ph on a mains supply is 415V, but will the 3ph that robert is creating be?

I guess if each phase is 230V and they are 110deg out of phase then yes it will be, thus no need for a tranny?

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Apparently you need a tranny to create the 415v between the single phase live and neutral, then the motor generates the third phase.

So it all goes like this

L1 - original single phase live
L2 - single phase neutral - transformed to give 415v between L1 and L2.
L3 - generated by motor.

So robert is right and we are just catching up.

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On 4th of Oct, 2007 at 01:57pm Ben H said:
All sounds a bit complex to me.

I agree Axel 415v is normally measured ph to ph, so a 230v supply ph to ph would be 415v.

I am guessing Robert that this is to drive your new lathe?


yes ben and mill and ramp...etc

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Robert,
Sorry for the late reply, not got much net access at the mo. I would measure your supply voltage to see how close to 230 you are. You might find you're nearer 240 which would give you almost 500 out!
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