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I`m terribly sorry,,, i have absolutely no idea what happened there,,, one min i was typing & then suddenly the screen went hay-wire & ended up with mulitple posts of shite,,, it did this a while ago too,,, dam computers !!!

anyways,,, what i was trying to say was that i have been thinking about this topic for some tie & my thoughts are more for the manufacture of a rock solid 5 main bearing crank & an alloy 5 main bearing engine block that suits the Bimmer twinky head & the mini gearbox,,, no that would be a dam good thing hey? & ok some longer lightweight strong as an ox rods to suit too,,, yeah,,, see now we`re talking "

again sorry about the mulitple posts of "well i"

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You probably have a faulty keyboard. The f5 key maybe sticking.

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It`s ok,,, i just have a little stutter

Edited by MadMatt on 29th Sep, 2008.

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Haha! Barnsley whit strikes again!

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couldn't resist.

If something is worth doing, it's worth doing half of.

11! surely thats a record?!?!?!?!

well,, i

dont know about that

On 29th Sep, 2008 MadMatt said:
I`m terribly sorry,,, i have absolutely no idea what happened there,,, one min i was typing & then suddenly the screen went hay-wire & ended up with mulitple posts of shite,,, it did this a while ago too,,, dam computers !!!

anyways,,, what i was trying to say was that i have been thinking about this topic for some tie & my thoughts are more for the manufacture of a rock solid 5 main bearing crank & an alloy 5 main bearing engine block that suits the Bimmer twinky head & the mini gearbox,,, no that would be a dam good thing hey? & ok some longer lightweight strong as an ox rods to suit too,,, yeah,,, see now we`re talking "

again sorry about the mulitple posts of "well i"

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The most power I have heard from a 16v head was 270bhp that was with a turbo and useing a KAD head Monster dolla too! I am told you can build a K-head 1293 to develop 180bhp again there is a rather large price to pay.

Off the shelf for around two and a half grand your gonna be getting 120bhp! flip through your copy of which ever mini magazine you subscribe to and you can get 180bhp A-series kits with whatever ingriedients you want for the same price on proven tech.

There are so many 16v head conversions flying around Unless yours can deliver the goods and be priced to kick the others into touch you may be left holding a white elephant. And no house!

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A Zetec weighs not very much, probably similar to an A Series, how about some gearbox casings fot those of us who insist on a mini box. That would give you a good block/crank and head strapped to a wheezy old box.

Get too far away from the A Series and people will just sling something in like a red top+box.

Personally, I think a mini has to have a mini gearbox. You could make an adapter and have a bike engine on a mini box, but why?

People are obsessed with huge power out of an A Series and want it on the cheap. All you really need are 4 inlet ports and a blower of sorts. Boost+Megajolt=Mega Power. BMW head is the best way of doing it, unless you are apt at chucking money around and then it's a KAD job.

Buuuuuut. I'm curious, the KAD head is based on a BDA, which is an old design, what is the K head based on and is it better. My estimate is that they are a much of a muchness and the betterness of the kad head is down to the cam profiles, which are properly thought through and work in conjunction with the ports/valves.

As a set of ports, they have to be similar.

Anyway, the mini is in the process again, after 2 years of not doing very much.

Bugger off, I'm getting there.

i hope so the zetec hp/litre and hp/kg is a dreadfull engine

turbo 16v k-series 11.9@118.9 :)

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Come on then Ian / Avonbar, tell us what you had / have in mind

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Edited by Sprocket on 30th Sep, 2008.

the way forward ian is to cast a new block with bigger displacement may be to 2 litres .. is the way forward, this is where the money is IMHO...
pistons and ring included to tap into the 5 porter and make it a universal kit what the punter wants ....think about it

there massive potential in 2 litres

just my thoughts

Ben , i`m sort of with you,,, a 2litre block with 5-main steel crank, alloy block, long rods, but with the Bimmer head able to bolt straight ontop wuld make it worth while,,, the 5port thing is jusy going to sufficate a 2litre

This would still be fairly lightweight, still have a good balance (left/right weight bias fairly central in the engine bay) & obviously produce some "Real" grunt, maybe even make a 1600cc for use with turbo to suit our Australian design rules so it passes for a road registerable approval... we have a limit ere os 2litre N/A & 1600cc Forced Induct.

I actually thought that KAD was going to do something like this years ago, but seems they realised that only about 3 people in the world would be able to afford it

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Alloy block? ill be alright.

Are you all fucking nuts or is it just me? From a simple question of what do you think of a 16v head you now want a 2 litre block. If people want a two litre then go out and get a decent one that you know will. I understand that some of you want to keep the gearbox, but why? If you want a 2 litre in a mini then either graft an existing engine onto the box or just do what sane people do and drop in the whole engine and box.

I guess I am biased because for racing I could never use something like this, which kind of limits any market anyway.

Just my opinion.

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I,m glad someone said this as I dont understand why anyone wants to modify the engine out of sight and keep what is acknowledged as transmission that was originally designed for about 40bhp.If you want huge torque/hp AND reliability go for a complete power pack transplant , keep the car looking externally standard,and dont tell anyone !

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Ben,, yeah i`m nuts, that`s for sure, no argument from me with that one

I`m only saying that an alloy 5 main 2litre (or 1600cc turbo) donk that suits an allready great 16v cyl head, that also bolts up to an already tried & proven mini box (they do take heaps of grunt & for quite a long time , "if" built well with all the good gear inside... they really don`t get enough credit for what they`re capable of) & i for one would be very interested for my extreamly lightweight sports sedan race mini...if not just for sprint meetings, hillclimbs, autocross & short circuit racing where i can rip it all down & reco the stuff that`s needed periodically before it all goes bang,,, I understand that the grunt produced from somehing like this wouldn`t suit everyone & will obviously & surely reduce the life of the poor old mini g/box,,, i agree they can`t take 5-million pounds of torque for very long especially in a std weight road mini,,, but for me it would keep the natural balance of the mini & be a "bolt-up" propersition, so i`m all for it.

However, as you suggest-->Back onto the original topic tho i think it`s a great idea, but i`m struggling to see how it could be done, if only to make a thicker cyl head deck to help clear valves kissing pistons & then having to have a "filled" chamber --for want of a better description, to get the compression ratios back up to something usable N/A

It`s really not a bad idea & is obviously why both KAD & JK did cyl heads that "nearly" bolt on,,, so if something like this was produced & we could take all the guts out of a 2nd hand old Bimmer cyl head to fit into it, then way cool. How many $$$$$????? & where do i sign up for one???

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Who hit this thread into left field. Unless your name is Ford BMW VW etc etc etc lets not talk about designing new engines. My other thoughts on this are that KAD were obviously the first to market a dedicated 16v conversion for the mini and being the first does hold its own Kudos as they are the bench mark and I have no doubt that there head is always used for comparison and rightfully so.

If you were to go forward with this I would garner that your head would be striking in resemblence to the KAD head, And why not all good designs will generally follow the same paths. Its just that you would always be second and you may get lost in the myre of all the other head conversions and not sit up there with KAD as dedicated A-series 16v head producers. You will need to be so different as to shock.

For example, if I am correct the Dolamite sprint the 1st 16v head in production I believe did this with one cam shaft now that would be something to see done for a mini 16v does not mean twin cam!

Other examples are the 16v Galant only one cam, I believe the Golf V6 only one cam per head and I am sure there are others.

Edited by Mr Joshua on 30th Sep, 2008.

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Some of the responses to this thread are more than a little bizarre.

Avonbar /Ian - If you can produce a 16v head that significantly cheaper than the KAD and simpler to fit than the BMW K, then go for it. There is a market out there for it.

More competition is this area can only be a good thing - Competitors lower prices = more sales = more cash for development =
Cheaper & Better 16v heads

IMHO

In the 13's at last!.. Just

It would be nice if someone could reproduce the Mini Blocks, as they are slowly running out.

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