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Hmm this may explain a few things, I'll give a few things ago tonight. Cheers fellas!

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All as above, that's why PaulH's test is a very easy way of determining if the suction guaze, suction line (through the O ring between block and box), pump itself and relief valve are all OK.

Once you are beyond the banjo bolt/external pipe, it's back to the filter, galleries, bearings etc.

If you do the test, make sure the output from the banjo bolt hole goes to your gauge only for the test, ie, don't try to Tee it.

And don't crank it too long because there is NO oil going to the bearings while the external pipe is off.

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I realised something about the MPi blockes last night. All the oil is fed through the filter then to the main gallery and bearings The oil relief valve is at the same point as the oil feed to main bearing number three. Which may be another reason why MPi blocks are a little better. No more crap in the relief valve.

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On 9th Mar, 2009 Sprocket said:
I realised something about the MPi blockes last night. All the oil is fed through the filter then to the main gallery and bearings The oil relief valve is at the same point as the oil feed to main bearing number three. Which may be another reason why MPi blocks are a little better. No more crap in the relief valve.


An interesting design change - not just "no more crap in the relief valve" but it would mean 100% of pump capacity getting filtered whereas on the "standard" arrangement a lot (possibly most) gets pumped and dumped straight back in the sump un-filtered as the regulating (relief) valve is before the filter.

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Hmm, wondering if my bearings are goosed as i had to drive a couple of miles with no oil pressure. If i get no oil pressure with the next few tests, i think the engine is going to be pulled.

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oh dear!

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I know, surely my engine would show signs of wear tho?

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It really depends on the cause - just because there was zero pressure doesn't mean there was no oil.

If it's a gallery plug popped, the pump would simply have been pumping at full capacity against a large hole.

But the flow would still have been there and although the "hole" would have been the prefered route for most of the flow, some could have still reached the bearings.

There would be obvious noise changes if the bearings were shagged but, best not to speculate - do the test(s) and then worry.....

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Yeah, the engine seemed exactly the same, no noise difference at all, no lack of power, hmm not sure which gauge I'm going to use on the big pipe tho.

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get a reducer that takes to big pipe down to the size of the pipe on you guage. You will most likle have something nocking around your garrage that will do rember, its only a crude test don't go geting anything fancy.

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What sort of pressure should i be looking out for?

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what ever your relief valve is set to mike

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I don't have an adjustable one, what's the standard pressure?

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Non cooper S 65-70 PSI
Cooper S ball bearing and spring 80psi+

On 17th Feb, 2009 Rob H said:

I find the easiest way is to super glue the bolt to the end of one of my fingers.

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Sound!

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GOT PRESSURE WHOOOPEEE!!

Ok did the gauge on the outlet trick and got pressure. So i plumbed directly from the outlet straight into the block where the filter goes. Fitted the oil gauge and hey presto 60odd psi!

I thinking my problems are occuring somewhere between my oil cooler or my remote oil filter, both of which are higher than the engine. Possible air lock? SO im fitting a bog standard oil filter housing and removing the oil cooler for now.

Cheers Chaps!

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blocked Oil cooler by the sounds of it well done Mike great news :)

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Cheers me old

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I can't work out what would cause the oil pressure to go sky high in the first place

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It could have been the gauge and a coinsidence that it happens at the same time.

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The only way the presure can rocket is if the bulet gets stuck or the gauge fucks up

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OK Chaps, just a follow on from my Oil Problems, ive plumbed the hole caboodle back in and fired her up to get 30psi? Bizzare i know, so out of frank curiosoty, i thought id disconnect to the oil feed to the turbo for a few secs to see what was what. And low and behold 60odd psi. So i stuck my hand into the turbo and wiggled the shaft and guess what, shed loads of play in the turbo! Ahh feck the bearings are shot. Looks like that drive home with np pressure manage to screw the turbo up!! So im in two minds to either sort this turbo out or whilst its out go gt or t25?

Opinions?

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what sort of rpm would the t25 spool up at?

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Personall opinion - sort things out one at a time - don't make major changes until you've really understood and cured the first problem.....

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The Bearings are deffinately shafted. I know play when i ffel it and there is huge play there mate

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