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On 12th May, 2009 Nic said:
Tut tut tut

Does this mean I can claim the Class D title for 2006?


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TBH id rather have brace bars and the subframe rear bar in place

the boot floor just make a temporary plate


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Yeah, I'd cover the boot floor with something. Also just to stop the boot filling with air and acting like an Anker slowing you down.

When I picked up my front holey sub frame from the powder coaters. He said not to bring the car round here for a MOT. Because it would definitely fail.

Same goes for lightened pedal box's and pedals.

You need to find a friendly mini MOT station these days. I think.

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Edited by Si P on 13th May, 2009.

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Right, got the fail sheet here, from today's test (at a different station).

Can't say I'm best pleased - failed on loads of things. :/

ADVISORY:
Boot floor panel removed.

FAILURES:
1) Rear subframe crossmember removed **DANGEROUS**

2) Service brake efficiency below requirements (45%)

3) Parking brake effeciency below requirements (7%) - !!

4) Front windscreen washer provides insufficient washer liquid (my fault, left it empty after testing it worked.. ha!)

5) Lower column spline lose on steering column - excessive play.

6) Both headlamps aim too high (free adjustment when re-tested, he said)

7) Offside front vehicle structre has excessive corrosion (front wheel arch, end of sill)

8) Both rear indicators not functioning to a satisfactory level (dims the lights when flashing)

9) Nearside front (inner track control arm bush) suspension arm has excessive play in pin/bush **DANGEROUS**

10) Nearside front lower balljoint has excessive play **DANGEROUS** (I know about this one, had asked them to fix if it failed on it - they havent due to the other issues)

11) (Both track rod end retaining nuts lose) Ball joint ball pin shank loose **DANGEROUS**

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So, my thoughts are:

#1 - going to get the garage to weld in a bar between the cut bits (yep, nic, you're the winner of class D)

#2+3 - Fucking annoying. Paid someone to sort the brakes for me, clearly didn't happen as expected.. hm. How do you fix the effeiciency?

#5 - I hope it's just the nut that needs tightening - but if not, I think its just the column, fingers crossed the rack is OK..

#7 - is being sorted at the same time as #1

#8 - Hopefully just an earth problem

#9 - What is an inner track control arm bush?

#10 - Will just re-shim

#11 - I presume the bit in brackets is the issue, and the rest is just what the computer outputs for that specific issue? Will tighten *wink*

So, thoughts?


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what work was done on the rear brakes? could it simply be them needing to bed in?


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so no 1, al, is saying all beams etc are illegal ?

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No, mine is a standard subframe, which has been chopped about - the whole rear crossmember has ben hacked off - THAT is the issue.


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I'd ask the tester for guidance on what he will accept as a solution - we could all come up with a 1000 differing opinions on it and ultimately he is the one between a pass and fail sheet


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a bar is a fix - no issues there
thats the least of my worries!


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Ahh thats not too bad!!

Bleed the brakes and adjust the handbrake.

#9 is is track rod end isnt it?

I have play in my steering colum, its probably just come a bit loose where it mounts to the bottom dash bar.


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That may not be the case, as on some items, like for example coil springs, steering arms etc, they can fail on "strength seriously affected by welding" or something along those lines.

On 25th Sep, 2009 mini13 said:
cool, i'll pop over with my tool and some lube, lol

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I'd have thought that #9 was the tie bar bushes, as the track rod ends are 1. ball joints not pin/bush and 2. they are "outer" not "inner"

On 25th Sep, 2009 mini13 said:
cool, i'll pop over with my tool and some lube, lol

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Track control arm bush would mean inner lower arm bush to me.


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On 28th Nov, 2016 Rob Gavin said:
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nothing major, bar the welding. Just a few small pain in the arse job's.

On 11th Feb, 2015 robert said:
i tried putting soap on it , and heating it to brown , then slathered my new lube on it

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On 14th May, 2009 Tom Fenton said:
Track control arm bush would mean inner lower arm bush to me.


These?

http://minispares.com/Product.aspx?ty=pb&p...386&title=LOWER ARM BUSH EASIER FIT...


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possibly. the tester hasn't made it very clear lol.

On 25th Sep, 2009 mini13 said:
cool, i'll pop over with my tool and some lube, lol

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Its perfectly clear. Track control arm is not the same as steering track rod.


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On 28th Nov, 2016 Rob Gavin said:
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Just ordered some ball joint shims, and:

GBP103AF - BRAKE PAD SET 1275 & S GENUINE
21A1882 - LOWER ARM BUSH LATE TYPE
21A1882MS - LOWER ARM BUSH EASIER FIT UPGRADE BLACK POLY TYPE

(ordered both types of lower bush, as they're dirt cheap and it saves re-ordering if i get the wrong ones).


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#11 to me would be the little nuts that are on the Track rod (not end) that then get wound up tight to the Track Rod End? or is that what you thought also?

should be an easy fix!


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On 14th May, 2009 James_H said:
#11 to me would be the little nuts that are on the Track rod (not end) that then get wound up tight to the Track Rod End? or is that what you thought also?

should be an easy fix!


Yep, thats what I took it to mean too. Cheers


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On 14th May, 2009 Tom Fenton said:
Its perfectly clear. Track control arm is not the same as steering track rod.


I know that, i wasn't on about the steering arm, i was on about the tie bars. The bottom arm is the bottom arm, so why would he put down track control arm? track control arms are fitted on 4x4's etc. like i said, he hasn't made it clear. it probably is the bottom arm he is on about, but it would have been easier to put down "front lower suspension arm has excessive play in a pin/bush"

On 25th Sep, 2009 mini13 said:
cool, i'll pop over with my tool and some lube, lol

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#5 sounds like it could be the same problem ive got. Check the nut is tight. If it is check the condition of the splines on the rack and column, the ones on my column are fubar but fortunately the rack is ok. Easy fix as long as its not the rack!

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The column is softer than the rack, I've seen plenty of columns knackered but never the rack.


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On 28th Nov, 2016 Rob Gavin said:
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On 14th May, 2009 AlexB said:
No, mine is a standard subframe, which has been chopped about - the whole rear crossmember has ben hacked off - THAT is the issue.



so the mot man ,who is no structural engineer ,can differentiate between a subby turned into a beam ,and an ally beam and a steel beam , ,and decide which one is stronger and which one is dangerous ? ,when it may be the cut down sub with a few extra webs is the strongest of the lot hmm ..
i woder how many people have got a cut down subby beam through an mot ?

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On 15th May, 2009 robert said:



On 14th May, 2009 AlexB said:
No, mine is a standard subframe, which has been chopped about - the whole rear crossmember has ben hacked off - THAT is the issue.



so the mot man ,who is no structural engineer ,can differentiate between a subby turned into a beam ,and an ally beam and a steel beam , ,and decide which one is stronger and which one is dangerous ? ,when it may be the cut down sub with a few extra webs is the strongest of the lot hmm ..
i woder how many people have got a cut down subby beam through an mot ?


Who knows, but both the MOT stations the car has been to this week failed it on that.

Just spoken to them, if I weld in a bar, it'll pass. No problem. Perhaps they're just covering their backs more these days?

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