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3594 Posts Member #: 655 Post Whore Northern Ireland |
20th Apr, 2010 at 07:33:38pm
On 20th Apr, 2010 tadge44 said:
The only thing that has stopped me trying the crude system Stevie mentions is that it is a road car and often stands unused for a while. I have heard stories that, in these circumtances, rust in the engine can become a problem. I was going to inject between the carb and manifold, using bike carb pilot jets, so as to have a selection. Always sounded to me as if it was a cheap way to get extra power in a totally unsophisticated fashion, which suits me. And why do you think the engine would rust ? and which bits in particular ? It baffles me where such stories come from. And you need to use proper atomising jets. The aquamist jets are pretty cheap, but you really need good pressure to make the fine spray. Most proper systems work around 100-150psi. Sometimes more. 9.85 @ 145mph
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3006 Posts Member #: 2500 Post Whore Buckinghamshire |
20th Apr, 2010 at 08:11:43pm
You realise that I was not speaking from personal experience but merely repeating what I had read, so I cant argue with you. However I can envisage situations with a pressurised water reservoir where water could continue to enter the inlet after the engine was stopped and even when it was cool enough not to evaporate the water. In these circumstances if the car was not used for a while rust is likely to affect valves, rings and bores.
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 2909 Posts Member #: 83 Post Whore Glasgow, Scotland |
20th Apr, 2010 at 08:13:30pm
yip no chance of rust, i ran a system with a high pressuere screenwash pump from a modern car and the misting spray paint caps at the turbo inlet, i twas crude but it did work, upgraded to a proper progressive system for the safety features and so i could slowly feed the water in rather than all in one go. water is only injected when on boost, at such times there is so much heat everywhere there will be no chance for water to pull and rust, just wont happen.
turbo 16v k-series 11.9@118.9 :)
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2909 Posts Member #: 83 Post Whore Glasgow, Scotland |
20th Apr, 2010 at 08:15:41pm
On 20th Apr, 2010 tadge44 said:
You realise that I was not speaking from personal experience but merely repeating what I had read, so I cant argue with you. However I can envisage situations with a pressurised water reservoir where water could continue to enter the inlet after the engine was stopped and even when it was cool enough not to evaporate the water. In these circumstances if the car was not used for a while rust is likely to affect valves, rings and bores. Anyway the remote possibility was enough to put me off adding more work to a car that has already given me and a lot of helpful TM people plenty to do. I accept and understand your comment about proper misting nozzles but that implies that I was approaching this as an engineer rather than a bumbling amateur petrolhead. the system stevie describes has the water resevoir at boost hose pressure, ie when u stop there is no pressure. and a check valve is used (well i did lol) to stop unwanted seepage, check valces are avaliable from any pet shop with a fishy section. turbo 16v k-series 11.9@118.9 :)
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 6752 Posts Member #: 828 Post Whore uranus |
20th Apr, 2010 at 08:59:16pm
i forgot to say , i used a n2o kit petrol solenoid for the cuttoff ,this was needed because the nozzle was after the throttle and the 1st stage turbo ,and brefore the 2nd stage turbo . Medusa + injection = too much torque for the dyno ..https://youtu.be/qg5o0_tJxYM |
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3006 Posts Member #: 2500 Post Whore Buckinghamshire |
21st Apr, 2010 at 12:45:43am
OK so I now have no valid reason not to try water injection.
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 261 Posts Member #: 713 Senior Member Western Australia |
21st Apr, 2010 at 01:01:13am
Or both? On 24th Dec, 2008 Nic said:
eyh? im drubj but very confused##]#IU |
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 16540 Posts Member #: 4241 King Gaycharger, butt plug dealer, Sheldon Cooper and a BAC but generally a niceish fella if you dont mind a northerner Rotherham, South Yorkshire |
21st Apr, 2010 at 08:05:19am
Hope your floors are fastened in properly Dave On 11th Feb, 2015 robert said:
i tried putting soap on it , and heating it to brown , then slathered my new lube on it 
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3594 Posts Member #: 655 Post Whore Northern Ireland |
21st Apr, 2010 at 10:54:24am
On 20th Apr, 2010 tadge44 said:
You realise that I was not speaking from personal experience but merely repeating what I had read, so I cant argue with you. However I can envisage situations with a pressurised water reservoir where water could continue to enter the inlet after the engine was stopped and even when it was cool enough not to evaporate the water. In these circumstances if the car was not used for a while rust is likely to affect valves, rings and bores. Anyway the remote possibility was enough to put me off adding more work to a car that has already given me and a lot of helpful TM people plenty to do. I accept and understand your comment about proper misting nozzles but that implies that I was approaching this as an engineer rather than a bumbling amateur petrolhead. Nope, its impossible. How would the reservoir ever be pressurised if the engine is stopped ? Water is either pumped in by an electric pump....or some systems use boost pressure to assist. Go and slap whoever told you such nonsense :) 9.85 @ 145mph
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3594 Posts Member #: 655 Post Whore Northern Ireland |
21st Apr, 2010 at 10:57:04am
On 21st Apr, 2010 tadge44 said:
OK so I now have no valid reason not to try water injection. Does this mean I can start all over again with the boost/fuelling/ignition advance merry go round in the never ending search for MORE POWER ?. Or I could just try N2O I suppose. Generally when you add water/meth, you can lean off fuelling and add timing. Assuming you are limited by knock on the fuel you are already using of course. Nos would of course give much greater gains though, and better cooling. Its a little more expensive to top up though. 9.85 @ 145mph
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Site Admin  15300 Posts Member #: 337 Fearless Tom Fenton, Avon Park 2007 & 2008 class D winner & TM legend. |
21st Apr, 2010 at 12:47:07pm
You buggers. All this talk has now got me looking at water injection systems.
On 29th Nov, 2016 madmk1 said:
On 28th Nov, 2016 Rob Gavin said:
I refuse to pay for anything else Like fuel 😂😂 |
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 10022 Posts Member #: 1456 Mongo Barnsley, South Flatcapshire |
21st Apr, 2010 at 12:49:00pm
For the Mini or the Pug Tom? If something is worth doing, it's worth doing half of. |
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Site Admin 15300 Posts Member #: 337 Fearless Tom Fenton, Avon Park 2007 & 2008 class D winner & TM legend. |
21st Apr, 2010 at 02:55:51pm
Either or.
On 29th Nov, 2016 madmk1 said:
On 28th Nov, 2016 Rob Gavin said:
I refuse to pay for anything else Like fuel 😂😂 |
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 9502 Posts Member #: 1023 Post Whore Doncaster, South Yorkshire |
21st Apr, 2010 at 03:14:00pm
i have found my self looking at kits too :( Yes i moved to the darkside |
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6752 Posts Member #: 828 Post Whore uranus |
21st Apr, 2010 at 06:27:32pm
On 21st Apr, 2010 stevieturbo said:
On 20th Apr, 2010 tadge44 said:
You realise that I was not speaking from personal experience but merely repeating what I had read, so I cant argue with you. However I can envisage situations with a pressurised water reservoir where water could continue to enter the inlet after the engine was stopped and even when it was cool enough not to evaporate the water. In these circumstances if the car was not used for a while rust is likely to affect valves, rings and bores. Anyway the remote possibility was enough to put me off adding more work to a car that has already given me and a lot of helpful TM people plenty to do. I accept and understand your comment about proper misting nozzles but that implies that I was approaching this as an engineer rather than a bumbling amateur petrolhead. Nope, its impossible. How would the reservoir ever be pressurised if the engine is stopped ? Water is either pumped in by an electric pump....or some systems use boost pressure to assist. Go and slap whoever told you such nonsense :) actuerly... i ran water on the old rover coupe heads ,and then on ported sd1 heads ,the coupe heads where then stored on the shelf ,and the seats where definately a little rustier after a year or so than other rover heads in the same store .. maybe the water steam cleaned them ,or impregnated them with magical water molecules ? Medusa + injection = too much torque for the dyno ..https://youtu.be/qg5o0_tJxYM |
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3594 Posts Member #: 655 Post Whore Northern Ireland |
21st Apr, 2010 at 07:28:49pm
Thats modern junk for ya lol.
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 4890 Posts Member #: 1775 Post Whore Chester |
21st Apr, 2010 at 07:55:50pm
mmm water kit group buy... I run a supercharger and I don't care the TB is on the wrong side.
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3594 Posts Member #: 655 Post Whore Northern Ireland |
21st Apr, 2010 at 08:06:03pm
more reading...
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 869 Posts Member #: 2443 Post Whore Cheshire |
25th Apr, 2010 at 10:49:44pm
Im in the process of fitting this to my charged mpi as we speak. I have a devils own progressive kit which I got from a guy on here for cheap last year. |Just need to figure out how to mount the tank and pump in the boot! |
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 1424 Posts Member #: 2810 Formally spanner181187 Dublin, Ireland |
25th Apr, 2010 at 11:20:22pm
Andy, looks like your avatar upset photobucket :( On 12th Nov, 2009 Paul S said:
I think Gary OS has taken over my role as the forum smart arse  On 30th Apr, 2010 Rod S said:
Gary's description is best |
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4890 Posts Member #: 1775 Post Whore Chester |
26th Apr, 2010 at 09:57:40am
damn internet police...
Edited by gr4h4m on 26th Apr, 2010. I run a supercharger and I don't care the TB is on the wrong side.
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4890 Posts Member #: 1775 Post Whore Chester |
26th Apr, 2010 at 10:28:01am
looking at the devils own controller they seem to active at 7 psi being the lowest setting, I presume that the big block engines run some very high boost.
Edited by gr4h4m on 26th Apr, 2010. I run a supercharger and I don't care the TB is on the wrong side.
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3594 Posts Member #: 655 Post Whore Northern Ireland |
26th Apr, 2010 at 01:14:03pm
TBH, if you're only using 7psi of boost, I really cant see why you would ever need any WI.
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4890 Posts Member #: 1775 Post Whore Chester |
26th Apr, 2010 at 01:45:32pm
StevieTurbo I run the evil suck through setup so temps can get high.
I run a supercharger and I don't care the TB is on the wrong side.
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9502 Posts Member #: 1023 Post Whore Doncaster, South Yorkshire |
26th Apr, 2010 at 01:49:56pm
nice vid Yes i moved to the darkside |
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