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apbellamy

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always makes me chuckle

On 11th Feb, 2015 robert said:
i tried putting soap on it , and heating it to brown , then slathered my new lube on it

*hehe!*


Rick.SPI

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got my kit today. looks very good quality.

few questions tho. upon reading the manual it says for turbo use i must mount it 36inches away from the exhaust port. so working this out that means from the turbo backwords it will be at least back to the gearbox selector in position to be able to get the 36"s. so where has evryone mounted theirs?

On 17th Feb, 2011 apbellamy said:
I popped my first one out the other day...


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On 16th Jun, 2010 Rick.SPI said:
got my kit today. looks very good quality.

few questions tho. upon reading the manual it says for turbo use i must mount it 36inches away from the exhaust port. so working this out that means from the turbo backwords it will be at least back to the gearbox selector in position to be able to get the 36"s. so where has evryone mounted theirs?


mine is just behind the gear selector on pas side the connector block is sat on the cross member insede the car the wire comes throough the gearstick hole.
dont forget the angle so condensation can drain off

Yes i moved to the darkside *happy*

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apbellamy

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On the metro van, we have the sensor on the bend as it comes under the car, between the subframe and shell. Seems to work fine

On 11th Feb, 2015 robert said:
i tried putting soap on it , and heating it to brown , then slathered my new lube on it

*hehe!*


Rob Gavin

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to follow on from Brett's statement, who else has followed the 36" instruction?

I've not bought my kit yet but want to install the boss on the exhaust now so I can mount everything up now amd need to decide where it is going

cheers

Rob


Joe C

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No,

they end up mounted on the Y of the LCB, or a few inches (about 5 if that) from the turbo.

On 28th Aug, 2011 Kean said:
At the risk of being sigged...

Joe, do you have a photo of your tool?



http://www.turbominis.co.uk/forums/index.p...9064&lastpost=1

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Rob Gavin

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so if i mount it just as the downpipe come under the floor then before or after the knuckle?


Joe C

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that will be fine,

I reckon put it before the knuckle though, as if the knuckle leaks it will throw off the reading.

On 28th Aug, 2011 Kean said:
At the risk of being sigged...

Joe, do you have a photo of your tool?



http://www.turbominis.co.uk/forums/index.p...9064&lastpost=1

https://joe1977.imgbb.com/



Rob Gavin

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will do, cheers Joe


Rick.SPI

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mine will be alor closer than stated now with the plan ive got, am i right in saying it affects the life of the sensor rather than the readings it gives having it closer?

On 17th Feb, 2011 apbellamy said:
I popped my first one out the other day...


Joe C

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above about 600 degrees is meant to start reducing the life aparently,

I have a Temp probe about 3" after my turbo and the highest I have seen is about 480deg, it might get higher on a smaller turbo though.

On 28th Aug, 2011 Kean said:
At the risk of being sigged...

Joe, do you have a photo of your tool?



http://www.turbominis.co.uk/forums/index.p...9064&lastpost=1

https://joe1977.imgbb.com/



Rick.SPI

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I thought that might be the case, The confirmation good news tho. :)

On 17th Feb, 2011 apbellamy said:
I popped my first one out the other day...


Turbo This..

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so im looking for a good/cheep wide band to use on my 1098 turbo 2x wide bands for $360aud seems good to me
anyone know if this one is good for turbo use when installed in a sample chamber (to reduce pressure) and if its compatible with MS3X?
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/PERFORMANCE-52m...=item1e72f81701


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I've never heard of that brand and it doesn't say in the ad anything about an analog output. Without that output, you can't connect it to an ECU. I would not use this.

If you don't need the gauge, you could go with two Spartan units from 14point7.com. These will work with an MS3 and are likely the cheapest option that is known to work. However, you should contact them before ordering because they sometimes are very slow in responding to orders.

Edited by jbelanger on 16th Jul, 2013.

http://www.jbperf.com/


Turbo This..

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i see better off paying for the known brands like aem any particular model?


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While others like AEM, I personally would not recommend it. I've seen too many problems with a mismatch between the gauge reading and the analog output you connect to the ECU. And the problem is the output voltage is actually different from what it should be according to the gauge.

Having said that, I don't know of any brand that doesn't have dissatisfied customers.

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Rod S

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I currently use a pair of TechEdges (in the sample chambers) and a single Innovate in the main exhaust. They can all give an analogue (0-5V) output for the ECU.

My experience is the TechEdges are much better (and they are from your own country...)

I was going to swap to three 14point7 SLC units (because they can interface digitally with my MS2/IOx setup which is better than analogue) but I was one of the people who experienced very bad customer service. Someone else on here, I think it was Jimster, also had a bad experience with them earlier this year. A shame really as the 14point7 range of products technically seem the best, and are all a good price.

Schrödinger's cat - so which one am I ???


Turbo This..

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rod whats your setup with the TechEdges ?
ive had a look around but im confused is it like ms3?
for the moment ill be needing two wide bands to try get the best average afr with the hif44 but id like to get the stuff to go efi later on


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On 17th Jul, 2013 Turbo This.. said:
rod whats your setup with the TechEdges ?
ive had a look around but im confused is it like ms3?
for the moment ill be needing two wide bands to try get the best average afr with the hif44 but id like to get the stuff to go efi later on

I honestly can't comment about MS3, as I use MS2 plus Jean's IOx.
It's a pretty unique setup.
The TechEdges I use are the DIY ones and provide a digital output to the gauges (TechEdge DIY ones) and also provide the "standard" 0-5V analogue output for any ECU that accepts an analogue input.
The TechEdge software logs the digital data but once you are on MS, it can only log the analogue data.
So I have to run both bits of software or accept analogue data from the TechEdges.
Jean's IOX can deal with digital data from Innovate or 14point7 but, unfortunately not TechEdge, hence why I was going to swap to 14point7 (because the Innovate is not good) until I experienced their customer "service" (I only have one working module and that took 3 months to get it re-programmed so it would work)....

I guess with MS3 you are only looking for an analogue (0-5V) input ??? but I really don't know as I don't use MS3.

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i think i may have found what im looking for
i will if i remember i i shall call them directly and ask a bunch of silly questions to try find out if this i want i need
http://wbo2.com/3h1/default.htm

my under standing of this is that this kit/setup can log two wide bands and the rpm on a chart and also log 4 temperatures in puts like coolant, ambient air, boost air temp and oil temp for instance or could an input be used for say boost psi to reference when boost comes in?

at this point i think MS3X would be better as it can do spark fuel and map as well as lots more i think im looking at the wrong type of thing for what im after at this point is two stand alone dash mount gauges that can be hooked into ms at a later time for logging

this is all just thinking and typing at this point..

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