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Well I just got another OE (Ford Mondeo) one of the bay - pretty poor condition on the outside - but suitable for chopping the ends off and making some custom headers.

Will also get a better view of the insides.

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I haven't even looked at it yet,

spare car goes in for MOT on friday, if that passes I'll pull the 7 port apart next week and see what the damage is.

An excellent thread! I too am using one of these cheapo chinese intercoolers, i will do a similar test and compare it to a cosworth 4x4 intercooler to see what it shows :)

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On the TT we've been struggling to get over 15psi boost, tried lots of things. I have one of these ICs and I'm thinking that the pressure drop may be part of the issue of us struggling for boost.

A new IC is not really in my budget, but it may make sense.

Who sells decent cores as I'd like to keep the same size and get my ends welded on.

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i used pace for my core Wil seemed to work well

Edited by wolfie on 6th Jan, 2011.

That's actually a very interesting test. Any pictures of the actual core internals of both units ?

A good while ago I changed from my dual Pace core IC to a massive Docking Engineering single core.

With the Pace there was minimal pressure drop across the units ( 2 cores welded together ).....so it seemed ok in that respect.
But whilst pressure drop never really changed, cooling ability between the two was like night and day.
Although the new unit was massive.


So all factors need to be taken into account. But clearly if the egay ones are massively restrictive, it isnt good.

Although airflow when sucking, isnt always a true reflection on boost.

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yes get what you pay for Dennis, That's some pressure drop. Has any one tested a GOOD aftermarket one?

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The odd thing is.

There are people all over the world using cheap Chinese cores, and many are making lots and lots of power.

I recently seen a place in the UK showing off fancy "new" garrett cored units which were producing fantastic results.

TBH externally they looked identical to the cheap chinese stuff. Couldnt see any detail of the internals though

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My findings wernt a sign of all cheap cores, just two that gave me boost issues, have still seen many Chinese cores that are ok, just there inconsistent.. Where oe coolers seem much more consistent.

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Just a pic of the inside of my intercooler.... I think it was off a rover!

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This is my point. Why can't I get over 15psi? If I'm dropping 4 or more psi across the IC it might well explain it.

Cooling wise it's great.

I'll go an look for garrett cores then, but I suspect they'll be too much money.

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Are theres a good point them Wil. I know Pace products make cores for many companys, not sure if they could sort you one, not sure how much.

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I have emailed Pace with a size. I'll give them a call if I have no response in a few days.

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Sadly not Tom as that would have given me the answer. It was only when I got half way through taking the car to bits that it struck me that the IC could be the issue and I thought of this thread.

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I'd say do this first, I only say this as with one of the previous turbos on the DON it would only make 17psi no matter what we did, basically it was out of puff.

I wonder the optimum is? As there has to be pressure drop in order for the air to have time to cool? If it were blowing straight through with 0 resistance wouldnt that render the ic as useless?

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As we are using a GT17 and this makes 20psi+ on many other cars that turbo should not be the problem. It is odd that it only makes 15psi on our engine. I would be suprised if it was the intercooler TBH. The cores don't look restrictive, even if they are not that efficient.

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202mph standing mile
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I bought this from Pace some time ago for the 998Ti and never used it.



Cost around £100.

Problem, for me anyway, is that the end flanges are only around 1mm thick. I daren't try and weld to that.

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You sure you cant squeeze a cosworth 4x4 cooler in there?

Bimmer E45 TDI core...

Great thread and an interesting read, i wasn't very clued up on pressure drop but i understand it now. Interesting if not very suprising that the ebay one isn't that great. It would be good to see a comparison between a high quality custom one, a good oem one (cossie 4x4 maybe?), and an ebay one.

George