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As I understand it, you can use the siamese code to overcome the mixture balance across cylinders, but the time to get the fuel into the right cylinder is very small, hence why bigger than usual injector/s are used. Is it not that the scatter timing will increase the time period to actualy get the fuel into the desired cylinders?

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Is it A-Series only? I think it should be...
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The reason for considering this cam is just because it may increase the VE of the engine at the top end.

The increase in the injection window is insignificant.

I firmly believe in high LCAs for turbo engines. The hope was that the SP version would be a significant step up. Now I not so sure.

What I'm currently trying to fully understand is the fact that Wil H lost 500rpm plus of useable boost just by having his tappets 0.008" too tight. Is this purely due to the slight change in overlap or is the exhaust valve opening also significant????

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I think its due to a little of both Paul,

Suposedly If you have a BIG turbo/turbine and your TIP/Boost are getting close to Parity then a narrow LCA is the way to go. :/

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On 23rd Sep, 2010 Joe C said:
Suposedly If you have a BIG turbo/turbine and your TIP/Boost are getting close to Parity then a narrow LCA is the way to go. :/


But then if you correctly size the turbo for the useable rev range, TIP will exceed boost and you benefit from low overlap, but what about the earlier opening exhaust valve?

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From what I have seen, the 8 thou that will adjusted out just affects where on the tappet ramp the valve starts moving, this 8 degree could equate to 15-20 degrees change in the seat timing, and probably 10% change in the overlap "area"

Unless Ive got it twisted in my head (after several beers...) widening the LCA will affect the overlap area loads more than changing the tappet clearance, (not that that means much...)

I've forgotton where I'm going with this now... lol








On 28th Aug, 2011 Kean said:
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Joe, do you have a photo of your tool?



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What I'm thinking is that Wills tappet adjustment actually made the exhaust valve open later which is contrary to the affects of increasing the LCA so I'm a little confused. Maybe it's more to do with the 266 cam specs.

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It make the exh open later, but it also shuts earlier, so its not really contarary to increasig LCA,

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Joe, do you have a photo of your tool?



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So, we can conclude that it is mainly about overlap above all else.

Don't stop drinking Joe, we are getting somewhere *happy*

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Another fact to consider here is that the Phase 2 has an LCA of 110 degrees.

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You have my Phase 2 Plot to look at don't you?

there is Nic's cam to consider too I belive his may be on a wide LCA, and also the other Vmax cams that are on wide LCA's

I'll plot my RE13T on a 112LCA when it turns up.

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Joe, do you have a photo of your tool?



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On 23rd Sep, 2010 Joe C said:
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You have my Phase 2 Plot to look at don't you?


Yes, but it also matches up with the published data.

On 23rd Sep, 2010 Joe C said:

there is Nic's cam to consider too


*happy*

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Paul
isn't your ngine a 998?
Then anything above 250 ° inlet will not be correct duration wise.
Then I 've mesured an mpi camshaft whish should be just in your ballpark...reliable, cheap, last grind tech..


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On 24th Sep, 2010 fab said:
Paul
isn't your ngine a 998?
Then anything above 250 ° inlet will not be correct duration wise.
Then I 've mesured an mpi camshaft whish should be just in your ballpark...reliable, cheap, last grind tech..


Can you share the MPi cam data? Only that is the second time you've mentioned it in a week *happy*

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i tried putting soap on it , and heating it to brown , then slathered my new lube on it

*hehe!*


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I've found the data for an MPi cam on the ACDodd Forum.

13/45 55/17 0.263/0.263 238/252

Bit too mild in my opinion. Just an extra 8 degrees inlet duration more than a standard cam. LSA/LCA as standard.

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Your opinion thru ...
Could you just borrow Andy's one, and see...You could be surprised


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I can throw it in the back of the van if you want to use it for a while, get it of John at the RR day. That's if I can remember where I put it...

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i tried putting soap on it , and heating it to brown , then slathered my new lube on it

*hehe!*


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.............. choking


On 30th Sep, 2010 apbellamy said:
I can throw it in the back of ........... I put it...


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On 30th Sep, 2010 fab said:
.............. choking


On 30th Sep, 2010 apbellamy said:
I can throw it in the back of ........... I put it...


Hardly gives me confidence in using it *happy*

Send it down Andy and I'll plot it out.

Maybe the profile does a little more than the timing figures suggest.

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It's in the side of the van's spare wheel well.

On 11th Feb, 2015 robert said:
i tried putting soap on it , and heating it to brown , then slathered my new lube on it

*hehe!*

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