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3594 Posts Member #: 655 Post Whore Northern Ireland |
5th Feb, 2011 at 07:02:28pm
What butchery if any have you done in the area around the radiator etc ?
9.85 @ 145mph
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 11046 Posts Member #: 965 Post Whore Preston On The Brook |
5th Feb, 2011 at 08:24:30pm
Just fit a mechanical fan, job done.
On 26th Oct, 2004 TurboDave16v said:
Is it A-Series only? I think it should be... So when some joey comes on here about how his 16v turbo vauxhall is great compared to ours, he can be given the 'bird'... On 26th Oct, 2004 Tom Fenton said:
Yep I agree with TD........ |
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 553 Posts Member #: 1356 Post Whore TRURO, CORNWALL |
5th Feb, 2011 at 11:26:54pm
There is no butchery, normal cowling fitted. No ducting. Electric fan mounted up tight to the rad on the inner wing side of the rad. The fan is nothing special, just an old MG Metro one.
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5th Feb, 2011 stevieturbo said: What butchery if any have you done in the area around the radiator etc ? Cowling, ducting if any ? And how is the electric fan mounted ? Really though, once moving over about 20mph, the fan does nothing. Edited by dazibee on 5th Feb, 2011. |
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553 Posts Member #: 1356 Post Whore TRURO, CORNWALL |
5th Feb, 2011 at 11:30:38pm
On 5th Feb, 2011 Ben H said:
I think that we have established that he is not that close to the lorry. The turbulence behind a lorry is pretty bad though. dazibee, I think you need to answer this yourself. Get some temp measuring gear and start logging... Yea I will have a go at getting some data |
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11046 Posts Member #: 965 Post Whore Preston On The Brook |
6th Feb, 2011 at 12:07:10am
Well if that were the case every mini would suffer this problem whether there was a mechanical fan or not, and they don't, so there is something else going on, and my money is on the fact that the lecy fan is not man enough, in the sense that the lecy motor in the situation the car was in at the time, cannot turn the motor fast enough.
On 26th Oct, 2004 TurboDave16v said:
Is it A-Series only? I think it should be... So when some joey comes on here about how his 16v turbo vauxhall is great compared to ours, he can be given the 'bird'... On 26th Oct, 2004 Tom Fenton said:
Yep I agree with TD........ |
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553 Posts Member #: 1356 Post Whore TRURO, CORNWALL |
6th Feb, 2011 at 12:33:37am
On 6th Feb, 2011 Sprocket said:
Well if that were the case every mini would suffer this problem whether there was a mechanical fan or not, and they don't, so there is something else going on, and my money is on the fact that the lecy fan is not man enough, in the sense that the lecy motor in the situation the car was in at the time, cannot turn the motor fast enough. You would be better to monitor the lecy fan current as well, as that will tell you if its up to the job in that situation, which it clearly isnt. Just my opinion Have you read any of my above posts, or maybe you have just got home from the pub |
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3594 Posts Member #: 655 Post Whore Northern Ireland |
6th Feb, 2011 at 11:09:30am
On 5th Feb, 2011 dazibee said:
There is no butchery, normal cowling fitted. No ducting. Electric fan mounted up tight to the rad on the inner wing side of the rad. The fan is nothing special, just an old MG Metro one. I disagree with your last comment however. My fan cuts in and always without fail reduces the water temp, certainly at speeds above 70mph . I know this because I have verified it happening on the road. Not bad for an old crappy fan. On
5th Feb, 2011 stevieturbo said: What butchery if any have you done in the area around the radiator etc ? Cowling, ducting if any ? And how is the electric fan mounted ? Really though, once moving over about 20mph, the fan does nothing. That just highlights you have created the problem. Placing the fan there has blocked airflow through the rad. No proper ducting/cowling to ensure all the hot air gets expelled, and not re-circulated back into the engine compartment. Mount the fan further away from the core, ensuring it is of course a proper puller fan. And sort cowling to ensure no hot air whatsoever can re-circulate back into the engine compartment. 9.85 @ 145mph
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553 Posts Member #: 1356 Post Whore TRURO, CORNWALL |
6th Feb, 2011 at 11:23:21am
Yes agreed but of no relevance to my original questions at the start of this thread which is:
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 716 Posts Member #: 9077 Post Whore Cheshire |
6th Feb, 2011 at 11:25:18am
You'd be good not to post sarcy remarks when people try to help you, Sprocket has given you some good advice there.
On 6th Feb, 2011 dazibee said:
On 6th Feb, 2011 Sprocket said:
Well if that were the case every mini would suffer this problem whether there was a mechanical fan or not, and they don't, so there is something else going on, and my money is on the fact that the lecy fan is not man enough, in the sense that the lecy motor in the situation the car was in at the time, cannot turn the motor fast enough. You would be better to monitor the lecy fan current as well, as that will tell you if its up to the job in that situation, which it clearly isnt. Just my opinion Have you read any of my above posts, or maybe you have just got home from the pub On 2nd Nov, 2010 wil_h said:
I think it's probably a given that all people who own pink cars like it up the Gary. On 14th Jan, 2011 rubicon said:
please dont put a batty kit on it, il have to by internet law, Report you to barry boys.com |
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 9502 Posts Member #: 1023 Post Whore Doncaster, South Yorkshire |
6th Feb, 2011 at 11:29:14am
any wonder why know it all newbies get stick? listen to the guys and girl!!!
Edited by Brett on 6th Feb, 2011. Yes i moved to the darkside |
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248 Posts Member #: 7936 Senior Member DK-8450 Hammel. Denmark |
6th Feb, 2011 at 11:47:27am
Dazibee.
If i have more toys than you when i die, I WIN |
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3594 Posts Member #: 655 Post Whore Northern Ireland |
6th Feb, 2011 at 12:26:01pm
On 6th Feb, 2011 dazibee said:
Yes agreed but of no relevance to my original questions at the start of this thread which is: What detrimental effect does driving through "dirty" air have on Intercooler performance. On my car none. But despite how crude and old it was, there was some reasonably intelligent thought put into how it was put together. As to how it affects your car, only you can determine that. 9.85 @ 145mph
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553 Posts Member #: 1356 Post Whore TRURO, CORNWALL |
6th Feb, 2011 at 02:09:13pm
Minx, in this case the advice is incorrect regarding the fan. I have already clearly said the fan does its job great
On 6th Feb, 2011 Mini_the_minx said:
You'd be good not to post sarcy remarks when people try to help you, Sprocket has given you some good advice there. On 6th Feb, 2011 dazibee said: On 6th Feb, 2011 Sprocket said:
Well if that were the case every mini would suffer this problem whether there was a mechanical fan or not, and they don't, so there is something else going on, and my money is on the fact that the lecy fan is not man enough, in the sense that the lecy motor in the situation the car was in at the time, cannot turn the motor fast enough. You would be better to monitor the lecy fan current as well, as that will tell you if its up to the job in that situation, which it clearly isnt. Just my opinion Have you read any of my above posts, or maybe you have just got home from the pub |
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553 Posts Member #: 1356 Post Whore TRURO, CORNWALL |
6th Feb, 2011 at 02:21:19pm
On 6th Feb, 2011 Brett said:
any wonder why know it all newbies get stick? listen to the guys and girl!!! and for your last question, it may well have an effect it will lower the IC efficiency but put simple enough DONT tailgate, edit sorry minxy missed you out  |
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716 Posts Member #: 9077 Post Whore Cheshire |
6th Feb, 2011 at 02:47:50pm
I'll let you off just this once sweetcheeks On 6th Feb, 2011 Brett said:
any wonder why know it all newbies get stick? listen to the guys and girl!!! and for your last question, it may well have an effect it will lower the IC efficiency but put simple enough DONT tailgate, edit sorry minxy missed you out On 2nd Nov, 2010 wil_h said:
I think it's probably a given that all people who own pink cars like it up the Gary. On 14th Jan, 2011 rubicon said:
please dont put a batty kit on it, il have to by internet law, Report you to barry boys.com |
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614 Posts Member #: 2153 Post Whore kings langley |
6th Feb, 2011 at 07:11:42pm
my cars not on the road but at the moment but i have the rad mounted directly to the wing cowling (mk1) and leccy fan to the inner wing i have not bothered with the rad cowling do you think this set up will work? Speeding is like masturbating, everyone does it, but not all of us film it and put it on the internet
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 5417 Posts Member #: 6181 Double hard bastard brookwood woking |
6th Feb, 2011 at 08:13:26pm
Hi daz mate,
I have started posting on Instagram also my name on there is turbomk1golf
On 1st Nov, 2007 Ben H said:
There is no such thing as 'insignificant weight saving', it all adds up. |
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553 Posts Member #: 1356 Post Whore TRURO, CORNWALL |
6th Feb, 2011 at 11:31:54pm
On 6th Feb, 2011 madmk1 said:
Hi daz mate, Ok, I have been reading this for a bit now and I can say Daz has been on here for a long time. I have met both him and seen his car and hacking it up is nowhere near the standard of his work on it. As for running with a fan some of you may know that I was running that setup for over a year with NO over heating at all. I even done 12 runs at pod and then drove it over 100 miles home at around 70 all the way. How I did it was with an alloy rad bolted to the wing and a kenlowe fan sucking in air. It had no ducting to push air through it at all and it was with an electric water pump Well I hope this helps someone Well it cetainly helped me mate. Your post and about four or five other ones posted back on this thread have been the only ones with any wisdom, thought or relevance to the original topic |
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553 Posts Member #: 1356 Post Whore TRURO, CORNWALL |
6th Feb, 2011 at 11:40:18pm
On 6th Feb, 2011 TurboTom said:
Dazibee. I think the best thing is for you to find out yourself. Some time ago there was a tread about cheep chineese radiators. Some said they where shit and some said they where ok. I had already bought one, so istead of guessing, i tested it. Thermometer at the inlet and outlet. see if it works. Do the same with the intercooler. Test it more than once. Try to do it under the same condition (might be difficult). you might find a conclusion... just maybe Best of luck Thanks TurboTom. You are right, I will crack on with it when my car is in one piece again |
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5417 Posts Member #: 6181 Double hard bastard brookwood woking |
6th Feb, 2011 at 11:52:21pm
cool mate. I have started posting on Instagram also my name on there is turbomk1golf
On 1st Nov, 2007 Ben H said:
There is no such thing as 'insignificant weight saving', it all adds up. |
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 3673 Posts Member #: 9300 Post Whore Quarry Bonk |
7th Feb, 2011 at 12:18:03am
It does seem a small fan at idle would help with charge temps, although i would have thought a large enough intercooler to deal with this would be the best bet, as with everything in minis youre rather restricted as to what you can fit.
Edited by Carlzilla on 7th Feb, 2011. On 26th Jan, 2012 Tom Fenton said:
ring problems are down to wear or abuse but although annoying it isn't a show stopper On 5th Aug, 2014 madmk1 said:
Shit the bed! I had snapped the end of my shaft off!! 17.213 @ 71mph, 64bhp n/a (Old Engine) |
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553 Posts Member #: 1356 Post Whore TRURO, CORNWALL |
7th Feb, 2011 at 01:09:53am
Yea the fan on the intercooler. Thats what I was gettting at. Is it crap or a good idea? I wanted some thoughts. Why not, nobody wants holed pistons?
On 7th Feb, 2011 Carlzilla said:
It does seem a small fan at idle would help with charge temps, although i would have thought a large enough intercooler to deal with this would be the best bet, as with everything in minis youre rather restricted as to what you can fit. As with the Radiator, not argueing, but im confused as to why youve not got a mechanical fan? Ive got a bog standard mech fan on a large impellor waterpump, 88deg stat and i find it very hard to run the engine up to temperature, even after giving it a good booting, then stopping at idle for a while. Only then itll just about rest under the white marker on the gauge. Ive tried fitting different stats, and different temp senders. So from my findings, the mechanical fan works very efficently on my engine coupled with an uprated water pump. Standard radiator too off my old 998. now running a 1275 stage one engine. No two cars are the same though, so what works for one, might not work for another. Edited by dazibee on 7th Feb, 2011. |
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 392 Posts Member #: 5702 Senior Member Cornwall |
7th Feb, 2011 at 10:25:59am
Id stick on a mech fan and go for a quick lorry hunt on the A30, im guessing its poor airflow that is raising your temps because it is easily cooled when the fan kicks in.
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Site Admin  15300 Posts Member #: 337 Fearless Tom Fenton, Avon Park 2007 & 2008 class D winner & TM legend. |
7th Feb, 2011 at 12:29:18pm
I am suprised and saddened by some of the replies to this thread.
On 6th Feb, 2011 Someone said:
any wonder why know it all newbies get stick? listen to the guys and girl!!! are not helpful, and do not add to the discussion.
On 29th Nov, 2016 madmk1 said:
On 28th Nov, 2016 Rob Gavin said:
I refuse to pay for anything else Like fuel 😂😂 |
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 16540 Posts Member #: 4241 King Gaycharger, butt plug dealer, Sheldon Cooper and a BAC but generally a niceish fella if you dont mind a northerner Rotherham, South Yorkshire |
7th Feb, 2011 at 01:22:48pm
I'm sure there are improvements to be made in our van's intercooler setup (mainly by removing metal).
On 11th Feb, 2015 robert said:
i tried putting soap on it , and heating it to brown , then slathered my new lube on it 
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