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![]() 847 Posts Member #: 6673 Post Whore Worral Sheffield |
28th May, 2014 at 10:30:41am
http://www.turbominis.co.uk/forums/index.php?p=vt&tid=496805
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![]() 330 Posts Member #: 9628 Senior Member |
28th May, 2014 at 11:00:32am
On 28th May, 2014 Carlzilla said:
That is a handy article, not just on how well they performed but also on how well they filtered. Wouldn't catch me putting a HKS filter on anything any time soon! http://www.supracentral.com/foundation/con...ion-kit-review/ nice read |
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![]() 489 Posts Member #: 9159 Senior Member Devon |
30th May, 2014 at 06:41:43pm
I've got one of the apexi ones waiting to go on mine after reading that article a couple years ago! |
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3594 Posts Member #: 655 Post Whore Northern Ireland |
30th May, 2014 at 07:41:41pm
On 27th May, 2014 Sprocket said:
K&N needs to be specifically selected for the application. Naturaly aspirated filters are different from forced induction filters. If you use a naturally aspirated filter on forced induction it will let shit through. Its all to do with the way the k&n filters work. It's the same for their 357i induction kits, its a denser filter. K&N specify this somewhere ? Or even offer this ? Cant say Ive ever heard of it, or seen anywhere you can specify. Airflow is airflow, dirt is dirt whether boosted or not. Makes no difference. The only thing that changes is the volume of air, and that's largely down to power, not method of induction. Either way, if it's filtration you need, stick with paper or an OEM style filter. Modern cars even making 200+ run pretty small filters these days. So there really isnt any need for a huge filter. And OEM filters will filter. 9.85 @ 145mph
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![]() 3673 Posts Member #: 9300 Post Whore Quarry Bonk |
30th May, 2014 at 07:43:00pm
What did you do regarding the neck that bolts to it? Because the smallest one they do is still rather large for something like a T3, a silicone reducer or a home made neck? On 26th Jan, 2012 Tom Fenton said:
ring problems are down to wear or abuse but although annoying it isn't a show stopper On 5th Aug, 2014 madmk1 said:
Shit the bed! I had snapped the end of my shaft off!! 17.213 @ 71mph, 64bhp n/a (Old Engine) |
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![]() 4633 Posts Member #: 20 My sister is so fit I won't show anyone her picture Lake District |
30th May, 2014 at 10:10:32pm
On 30th May, 2014 stevieturbo said:
On 27th May, 2014 Sprocket said:
K&N needs to be specifically selected for the application. Naturaly aspirated filters are different from forced induction filters. If you use a naturally aspirated filter on forced induction it will let shit through. Its all to do with the way the k&n filters work. It's the same for their 357i induction kits, its a denser filter. K&N specify this somewhere ? Or even offer this ? Cant say Ive ever heard of it, or seen anywhere you can specify. Airflow is airflow, dirt is dirt whether boosted or not. Makes no difference. The only thing that changes is the volume of air, and that's largely down to power, not method of induction. Either way, if it's filtration you need, stick with paper or an OEM style filter. Modern cars even making 200+ run pretty small filters these days. So there really isnt any need for a huge filter. And OEM filters will filter. |
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![]() 11046 Posts Member #: 965 Post Whore Preston On The Brook |
30th May, 2014 at 10:52:26pm
On 30th May, 2014 stevieturbo said:
On 27th May, 2014 Sprocket said:
K&N needs to be specifically selected for the application. Naturaly aspirated filters are different from forced induction filters. If you use a naturally aspirated filter on forced induction it will let shit through. Its all to do with the way the k&n filters work. It's the same for their 357i induction kits, its a denser filter. K&N specify this somewhere ? Or even offer this ? Cant say Ive ever heard of it, or seen anywhere you can specify. Airflow is airflow, dirt is dirt whether boosted or not. Makes no difference. The only thing that changes is the volume of air, and that's largely down to power, not method of induction. Either way, if it's filtration you need, stick with paper or an OEM style filter. Modern cars even making 200+ run pretty small filters these days. So there really isnt any need for a huge filter. And OEM filters will filter. I agree that a good paper filter is best and change it often. I read some test data carried out by a very well renowned engine tuner that showed the foam filters to be the worst for both air flow and filtration. The K&N came out on top on both counts with a decent paper filter next. Basically the foam filter was worse than a good paper filter! but like I said earlier, the popular common trend seems to take precedence over all else wether its any good or not. My own experience of the foam filter compares with this. Dry they were reasonable in air flow but filtered fuck all. Oiled they were very restrictive but did filter much better. The key to the way the K&N "Filtercharger" works is down to the loose ends of the cotton fibres of the gauze and the oil. You have to ask yourself how this filter works when you can see daylight though it, there are clearly holes in it. The key is the way the air moves through the filter. The induction of the engine is not a constant flow. As the 'pulsing air flow passes over these oiled loose cotton fibres, they vibrate. This vibration 'scrubs' the dirt from the air and the oil grabs hold of it. Stick the same filter infront of a turbocharger, and those little fibres no longer vibrate, so they no longer scrub the air, and shit gets through. K&N resolve this with extra layers of gauze, that being THE differnece. I'd expect the Universal filters to have the extra layers of gauze for them to be truely 'universal' On 26th Oct, 2004 TurboDave16v said:
Is it A-Series only? I think it should be... So when some joey comes on here about how his 16v turbo vauxhall is great compared to ours, he can be given the 'bird'... On 26th Oct, 2004 Tom Fenton said:
Yep I agree with TD........ |
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1767 Posts Member #: 9165 Previously josh4444 Australia, brisbane |
30th May, 2014 at 10:52:47pm
I have a cunning plan...
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![]() 2909 Posts Member #: 83 Post Whore Glasgow, Scotland |
31st May, 2014 at 09:07:28am
thats my plan, but with a bmw paper cone as you would find in a 530d for example.. easier to make a box for turbo 16v k-series 11.9@118.9 :)
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3594 Posts Member #: 655 Post Whore Northern Ireland |
31st May, 2014 at 12:40:17pm
So where does K&N list this option ? You'd think if available, it would be glaringly obvious on it's website ?
On 30th May, 2014 Turbo This.. said:
I have a cunning plan... Involves a custom air box above the wheel with baffles and a big flat papor elemt or two ERA was just an open chamber with the element inside, no baffles. Still well designed though and element size even in paper would easily cope with 200hp. If insistent on an open style clamp filter, I used this on my turbo many years ago before I bought the ERA air box. Simple paper, clamp on bit is around 2.5" diameter hard plastic.. ie flexible hose can clamp over it. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BOLK-BOL-B031232...=item43c2c1c4ba 9.85 @ 145mph
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1767 Posts Member #: 9165 Previously josh4444 Australia, brisbane |
31st May, 2014 at 11:16:36pm
ill be going for the most surface area i can get in paper that will still fit under the wheel arch the baffles will be to equalize the flow over the whole element rather than taking the easiest route should make it filter better as not to be forced threw but to ease its way threw
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3594 Posts Member #: 655 Post Whore Northern Ireland |
31st May, 2014 at 11:44:01pm
I just routed the box down to the front air intake normally used for the side vent inside the car.
Edited by stevieturbo on 31st May, 2014. 9.85 @ 145mph
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![]() 9502 Posts Member #: 1023 Post Whore Doncaster, South Yorkshire |
4th Jun, 2014 at 12:01:57pm
a bit more reading si
Yes i moved to the darkside |
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![]() 270 Posts Member #: 69 Senior Member Coventry |
4th Jun, 2014 at 03:52:27pm
yup ERA routed it to air intake |
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![]() 11046 Posts Member #: 965 Post Whore Preston On The Brook |
13th Jan, 2016 at 07:21:55pm
On 30th May, 2014 stevieturbo said:
On 27th May, 2014 Sprocket said:
K&N needs to be specifically selected for the application. Naturaly aspirated filters are different from forced induction filters. If you use a naturally aspirated filter on forced induction it will let shit through. Its all to do with the way the k&n filters work. It's the same for their 357i induction kits, its a denser filter. K&N specify this somewhere ? Or even offer this ? Cant say Ive ever heard of it, or seen anywhere you can specify. Airflow is airflow, dirt is dirt whether boosted or not. Makes no difference. The only thing that changes is the volume of air, and that's largely down to power, not method of induction. Either way, if it's filtration you need, stick with paper or an OEM style filter. Modern cars even making 200+ run pretty small filters these days. So there really isnt any need for a huge filter. And OEM filters will filter. I never followed up on this. I know you tend to be skeptical Steve, but I'm only highlighting a fundamental difference, that I to was unaware of until I was enlightened by those of superior and first hand knowledge. Not everything is made equal, you of all people should know that
K&N said:
A K&N Air Filter is made of 4 to 6 layers of cotton gauze sandwiched between two epoxy-coated aluminum wire screens. http://www.knfilters.co.uk/filtercharger.aspx Ergo some have 4 layers, while others have 6, and that is the difference between Turbo,57i kits and N/A filters. In fact I have seen K&N advertise filters with a 2 layer cotton gauze. Best to find a filter with the densest gauze core when using it in front of a turbo. Or, use a paper filter. On 26th Oct, 2004 TurboDave16v said:
Is it A-Series only? I think it should be... So when some joey comes on here about how his 16v turbo vauxhall is great compared to ours, he can be given the 'bird'... On 26th Oct, 2004 Tom Fenton said:
Yep I agree with TD........ |
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3594 Posts Member #: 655 Post Whore Northern Ireland |
14th Jan, 2016 at 09:50:09am
TBH if you have the room and need filtration, paper is the only option.
9.85 @ 145mph
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1767 Posts Member #: 9165 Previously josh4444 Australia, brisbane |
14th Jan, 2016 at 10:04:03am
why are foam (oiled) filters used on dirt bikes that blast around in the dust and dirt?
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3594 Posts Member #: 655 Post Whore Northern Ireland |
14th Jan, 2016 at 08:31:31pm
No doubt there are great differences between various brands of foam filter, and I'm sure the more they're oiled the more they will filter.
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