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Paul S

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On 22nd Jun, 2010 Rob Gavin said:
doesn't look like it was rubbing before the accident given the paint etc still being in place - did the tyre blow out? sidewall flex could have allowed for some of this?



The recovery guy was fitting the spare when we got there.

Apart from the gouge the tyre is split at the rim, but this could have happened in the aftermath as he mounted the kerb.

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On 22nd Jun, 2010 Paul S said:
He says that he hit a big pothole earlier in the evening and then he had to get his mate to sit the other side as there was something rubbing. He stopped and checked but could not see anything wrong.


Then I would definately go for outer radius arm bracket bent, hence the slight rub.

A pothole large enough to bend the rear suspension enough somewhere (probably the outer bracket) to give a slight rub, could easily have done damage to the front left leading to instability under braking.....

Most obvious would be the front corner tie bar bracket... I've broken one in the dim and distant past so my current subframe has bracing plates.

Might be difficult to see though considering the damage the subframe will have taken during the "event".

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Paul S

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Well, the front tie bars are still firmly attached to the subfram despite the impact. The O/S one is S shape though.

This is the hole in the tyre. It's on the outer sidewall. Don't know if it was the cause or the consequence.

Edited by Paul S on 22nd Jun, 2010.

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Paul S

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The rear bracket has distorted slightly:



The gap between the trunnion and shaft is certainly several millimetres larger on this side.

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Tyre damage in that location is either a massive load, enough to squash the tyre flat to push the sidewall up against the rim, and/or under-inflation and a much smaller load.

Most likely the consequence of mounting the kerb during the event but the combination of a large pothole and some under-inflation could have started it leading to slow deflation ???

How long between the pothole and the lampost ???

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On 22nd Jun, 2010 Rod S said:

How long between the pothole and the lampost ???


To Bedford and half way back home on the A6. He hit the pothole soon after leaving here.

About 25 miles including some dual carriage-way where he would have been motoring along.

He only hit the pothole because he went to a particular petrol staton that sells 4 star.

EDIT: and about 6 hours in time.

Edited by Paul S on 22nd Jun, 2010.

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Hmmm,

Looking at the bent rear arm bracket and assuming that was caused by the pothole, and the fact a passenger had to move to compensate and stop the wheel rubbing, I would suggest that the bent bracket was the cause of the instability under braking and the front left tyre was consequence, not cause.

Possibly slightly under-inflated to allow the side wall to crush against the rim but it all depends on speed, height of kerb etc.

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Actually that's the rear left tyre. But I think that's what you meant.

Axel reckons that the rear wheels did not hit the kerb in the collission with the lamp post. The post was only a metre or so from the kerb and he was nearly at a right angle to the kerb when it hit, going by the skid mark.

So that cut tyre would have been caused by the pothole as well.

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that tyre looks like pot hole damage to me, is there any marking on the inner of the tire ?

On 28th Aug, 2011 Kean said:
At the risk of being sigged...

Joe, do you have a photo of your tool?



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I smell a claim against the council - poorly maintained roads puts young lad in hospital and destroys classic car.

On 11th Feb, 2015 robert said:
i tried putting soap on it , and heating it to brown , then slathered my new lube on it

*hehe!*


Paul S

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The wife has been researching how to claim against the council.

Seeing as we could lose in the region of £3k, it will be worth trying to get something back.

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chances are they will say bollocks, but as you say its worth a go.

On 28th Aug, 2011 Kean said:
At the risk of being sigged...

Joe, do you have a photo of your tool?



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On 22nd Jun, 2010 Paul S said:
Actually that's the rear left tyre. But I think that's what you meant.

Axel reckons that the rear wheels did not hit the kerb in the collission with the lamp post. The post was only a metre or so from the kerb and he was nearly at a right angle to the kerb when it hit, going by the skid mark.

So that cut tyre would have been caused by the pothole as well.


Actually, no......
from the damage to the sidewall right down at the rim I assumed it was the front left where the loads are a lot higher, ie cut by going over the kerb in the final moments.

To be able to squash a rear tyre right down to the rim to inflict that damage to the sidewall implies either a very big pothole or under-inflation (or a combination of both).

The evidence of having to move passengers around to stop the "rubbing" and the photo of the bent bracket suggests the pothole is the more likely.

However, if the left rear was that badly damaged from the pothole earlier, it may well have been partially deflated at the time of braking for the roundabout.....

As Joe says, look at the inside of the tyre.

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Well, I'll see if we can get the tyre off. Also I'll have a look at the left front.

Do you think this lampost is in a legal position:

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF...=12,157.07,,0,5

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Best do a google about the lampost - there are some funny rules about line of sight (ie, blocking a clear view) - we've just been through it with a proposed new access drive across the road from us where the electricity pole that supplies our house is probably going to have to be moved as it prevents a clear line of sight along the "splay" for the new access (if that makes sense).

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what about this
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/CLASSIC-MINI-THIRTY-...=item3cae603401


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On 23rd Jun, 2010 Rob Gavin said:
what about this
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/CLASSIC-MINI-THIRTY-...=item3cae603401


Yes, seen that. Looks like the ideal candidate. Distance and timing is an issue though.

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Stephen Hawking - "The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge."


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On 23rd Jun, 2010 Paul S said:

Yes, seen that. Looks like the ideal candidate. Distance and timing is an issue though.


"i have seen that" or "i saw that" *tongue*

How much does a bare shell weigh?
Could it go on the joists in the barn?


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On 23rd Jun, 2010 sturgeo said:

Could it go on the joists in the barn?


I was going to chuck the Miglia on the grass and put that on the ramp *happy*

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Not on your nelly!

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