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Site Admin  9408 Posts Member #: 58 455bhp per ton 12 sec 1/4 mile road legal mini Sunny Bridgend, South Wales |
29th Jul, 2006 at 09:25:31am
I know metro's and late minis had the late type starter motor, (with the solenoid built in). Different motors have the solenoid in different places on the out side of the starter, does anyone know which cars have which starters??
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Site Admin  15302 Posts Member #: 337 Fearless Tom Fenton, Avon Park 2007 & 2008 class D winner & TM legend. |
29th Jul, 2006 at 10:10:56am
Metro starters have the solenoid pointing away from the block e.g. towards the front of the car. These don't fit well in minis as they foul the grille.
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29th Jul, 2006 at 11:58:34am
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29th Jul, 2006 at 03:26:19pm
Jim,
Edited by turbodave16v on 29th Jul, 2006. On 17th Nov, 2014 Tom Fenton said:
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29th Jul, 2006 at 04:19:22pm
To be very honest i never knew that On 26th Oct, 2004 TurboDave16v said:
Is it A-Series only? I think it should be... So when some joey comes on here about how his 16v turbo vauxhall is great compared to ours, he can be given the 'bird'... On 26th Oct, 2004 Tom Fenton said:
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Site Admin  8506 Posts Member #: 16 Sold the turbo and seeing what the C20XE can do! Near Lincoln |
29th Jul, 2006 at 04:33:56pm
i've got the brise item. can do any measurements you need matey. it is a lot smaller and has no annoying soleniod hanging off it. it just has a small box on the back. |
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 8215 Posts Member #: 90 Post Whore Somewhere around Swindon |
29th Jul, 2006 at 04:55:25pm
jim i have a good mini one you can have Crystal Sound Audio said:
Why wolfie...you should have your name as Fuckfaceshithead ! "A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools."-Douglas Adams |
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 8297 Posts Member #: 408 Turbo Love Palace Fool Aylesbury |
30th Jul, 2006 at 03:55:23pm
Im looking to fit the old style starter (no solenoid) to make room for my rad.
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1st Aug, 2006 at 12:48:32am
iam going to pre vertro setup for now!
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Site Admin 9408 Posts Member #: 58 455bhp per ton 12 sec 1/4 mile road legal mini Sunny Bridgend, South Wales |
1st Aug, 2006 at 08:09:40am
On 29/07/2006 16:55:25 wolfie said:
jim i have a good mini one you can have thanks wolfie, but I have the wrong ring gear for an early starter motor. Thanks for the pics and advice guys, looks like I've got to dig deep, I'm skint at the moment so it will have to wait a while. Iain, I have been looking at brise one, as there is one on my mates miglia, but I think the solenoid on his is on top and that will hit my TPS. The one dave should me the one will be ideal, as I can put it exactly where I like On 15th May, 2009 TurboDave said:
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Site Admin 8506 Posts Member #: 16 Sold the turbo and seeing what the C20XE can do! Near Lincoln |
1st Aug, 2006 at 08:29:09am
i thought you could move the brise ones round? think my solenoid is at the side. i honestly cant remember though! |
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Site Admin 8506 Posts Member #: 16 Sold the turbo and seeing what the C20XE can do! Near Lincoln |
1st Aug, 2006 at 08:30:48am
just checked and mines defintately not on top. but i dont have a picture with the full starter in! lol! |
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 1451 Posts Member #: 328 Post Whore Seaford Rise, South Australia |
1st Aug, 2006 at 09:07:05am
On 29/07/2006 16:33:56 iain said:
i've got the brise item. can do any measurements you need matey. it is a lot smaller and has no annoying soleniod hanging off it. it just has a small box on the back. Don't buy the ebay item - I have one like it and bought a brise one. The other starter motor consumed 2 ring gears before I realised it had a problem and required a load of machining before it achieved a good mesh with the teeth On 5th Sep, 2011 Vegard said:
I stand corrected. You should know  |
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8297 Posts Member #: 408 Turbo Love Palace Fool Aylesbury |
1st Aug, 2006 at 02:01:50pm
Ive just had a look on the Brise site, the position of the solenoid is much better, gives a lot more clearance at the front. https://www.facebook.com/pages/Fusion-Fabri..._homepage_panel
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Site Admin 8506 Posts Member #: 16 Sold the turbo and seeing what the C20XE can do! Near Lincoln |
1st Aug, 2006 at 02:05:02pm
I doubt it to be honest.
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1st Aug, 2006 at 02:38:53pm
On 01/08/2006 09:07:05 Scruffy said:
On 29/07/2006 16:33:56 iain said:
i've got the brise item. can do any measurements you need matey. it is a lot smaller and has no annoying soleniod hanging off it. it just has a small box on the back. Don't buy the ebay item - I have one like it and bought a brise one. The other starter motor consumed 2 ring gears before I realised it had a problem and required a load of machining before it achieved a good mesh with the teeth Stupid question - are you sure you got the right pinion for the right ring? They ask you to specify which one you want. There are many guys on the minimania site running these and I've heard of nothing but praise - certainly no stories like you've experienced? On 17th Nov, 2014 Tom Fenton said:
Sorry to say My Herpes are no better Ready to feel Ancient ??? This is 26 years old as of 2022 https://youtu.be/YQQokcoOzeY |
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1451 Posts Member #: 328 Post Whore Seaford Rise, South Australia |
1st Aug, 2006 at 04:29:31pm
On 01/08/2006 14:38:53 TurboDave said:
[Stupid question - are you sure you got the right pinion for the right ring? They ask you to specify which one you want. There are many guys on the minimania site running these and I've heard of nothing but praise - certainly no stories like you've experienced? Yes that all checked out fine the problem was that the starter motor did not actually mesh properly with the ring gear and the base plate was machined on one side and built up with weld on the other to make it work so that it moved the whole lot inwards. A mate at work has a Lancia Montecarlo and needed a bespoke starter motor. I told him not to touch cambridge motorsport with a bargepole but ignored me . Result six months of making a starter motor and when it finally arrives - does not fit!!! On 5th Sep, 2011 Vegard said:
I stand corrected. You should know |
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1451 Posts Member #: 328 Post Whore Seaford Rise, South Australia |
1st Aug, 2006 at 04:31:32pm
On 01/08/2006 14:01:50 matty said:
Ive just had a look on the Brise site, the position of the solenoid is much better, gives a lot more clearance at the front. 
Does anyone know if Is there are any other manufacturers that make starters with the same solenoid position? Website is out of date the solenoid is integral with the gearbox and motor body with the result that the whole assembly is about the same as an inertia type motor and is a lot better for accomodating intercoolers and front rads. Can't give you a pic as it is fitted to my car! On 5th Sep, 2011 Vegard said:
I stand corrected. You should know |
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Site Admin 8506 Posts Member #: 16 Sold the turbo and seeing what the C20XE can do! Near Lincoln |
1st Aug, 2006 at 04:36:50pm
I'd go as far to say its actually smaller.
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8297 Posts Member #: 408 Turbo Love Palace Fool Aylesbury |
2nd Aug, 2006 at 12:47:00pm
Thats even better then. how much are they now, the site i looked at said they were £138?
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Site Admin 15302 Posts Member #: 337 Fearless Tom Fenton, Avon Park 2007 & 2008 class D winner & TM legend. |
2nd Aug, 2006 at 01:40:22pm
I have never known anyone bother balancing a flywheel after changing a ring gear. As in effect the ring gear itself is inherently in balance anyway, and so should not affect the flywheel.
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1451 Posts Member #: 328 Post Whore Seaford Rise, South Australia |
2nd Aug, 2006 at 01:58:03pm
On 02/08/2006 12:47:00 matty said:
Thats even better then. how much are they now, the site i looked at said they were £138? I thought about getting a new ring gear to suit the inertia type starter, as it was just a case of grinding one off welding the new one on, until Wes pointed out about balancing the flywheel after, seems alot of effort and probably would end up costing about the same! If some one could post a pic of the new style brise starter fitted it help alot. Give them a ring and ask them - I bought mine about 18 months ago and they did me a good deal but I did go there in person.... On 5th Sep, 2011 Vegard said:
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8297 Posts Member #: 408 Turbo Love Palace Fool Aylesbury |
2nd Aug, 2006 at 03:20:07pm
I sware mine has 1 inch long tacks around the edge of it, but i did get it from minispeed!!
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8297 Posts Member #: 408 Turbo Love Palace Fool Aylesbury |
2nd Aug, 2006 at 04:18:46pm
There £185 + the dreaded VAT!
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1451 Posts Member #: 328 Post Whore Seaford Rise, South Australia |
2nd Aug, 2006 at 05:52:30pm
On 02/08/2006 16:18:46 matty said:
There £185 + the dreaded VAT! I think i'll go for the changing the ring gear route! For anyone that wants to save some weight they only weigh 2.5kg, which has got to be a fair bit lighter than the standard jobby. That's about what it started at but didn't pay anything like that - need to try and haggle better.............. On 5th Sep, 2011 Vegard said:
I stand corrected. You should know |
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