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*happy* Not brilliant but some where to start.

Remember that this is on a 1399cc with the Kent 274 cam(needs dialing in 2 degrees, wrong ECU (non cooper), standard 35.6mm valve head, cat, and only 650 miles on the engine (still a bit tight)

Bigger injector and throttle body already fitted, with bigger injector still if needed.

Loads of room for improvement, stage three head, bang on cam timing, no cat, Cooper ECU, move reluctor X number of degrees to tune ignition timing(who needs to spend £300 on the Icon), Maybe 1.5 rockers, dunno, depends, might experiment with that as a last resort, mod the inlet.

Aparently the Cooper ECU gives a shit load more fuel on full throttle so should be good for a few bhp alone, also the ignition map is more suited to the 10.5 CR. Currently trying to source either a decoded ECU (£150 from http://www.bba-reman.com/catalogue/Product...x?product=2527) or a matched ECU and imobiliser box*oh well* might be able to get rid of the octane booster fitting this*happy*

Also worth noting that the SPI Cooper S pack gave 86bhp with a Stage three head, 1.5 rockers, LCB, Maniflow back box, and modded inlet. So its not bad.

Edited by Sprocket on 6th Aug, 2006.

On 26th Oct, 2004 TurboDave16v said:
Is it A-Series only? I think it should be...
So when some joey comes on here about how his 16v turbo vauxhall is great compared to ours, he can be given the 'bird'...


On 26th Oct, 2004 Tom Fenton said:
Yep I agree with TD........


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Sprocket, cooper ecu's can be bought uncoded to the car and then step up for 25 notes by a company in warrington. I paid 140 inc vat for mine.

want me to find out where its from?

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"Fab's right of course.

Maybe you should take your styling ideas off the French instead! "


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Camco?

I'll never go there again after they couldnt foind the fault on my brothers Vauxhall Omega. I fixed it where they couldnt, all it was - the LT coil plug was on upside down.

Though at £25 i might bite the bullit

On 26th Oct, 2004 TurboDave16v said:
Is it A-Series only? I think it should be...
So when some joey comes on here about how his 16v turbo vauxhall is great compared to ours, he can be given the 'bird'...


On 26th Oct, 2004 Tom Fenton said:
Yep I agree with TD........


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nice and smooth curves- especially as the ecu isn't closely matched to the motor - lots more to come.

If Carling made Mini engines
it would probably be like this one!


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Good stuff. You sound happy!

So how 'skilled / talented' did you find the RR guys at minisport? I've heard so many conflicting stories...

Edited by TurboDave16V on 6th Aug, 2006.

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On 06/08/2006 17:20:55 TurboDave said:

Good stuff. You sound happy!

So how 'skilled / talented' did you find the RR guys at minisport? I've heard so many conflicting stories...


I'll be very honest in that of all the times I've had a car on the rollers, its been at Minisport, but that was back when they had the analogue set up. It was also the oldish bloke with a tash, cant remember his name (is he still there), never had a problem and the car always drove better when we left.

Jackman had his on the rollers there early this year and basicaly they left the initial timing somewhere around 35 degrees because the vac unit fouled the oil pressure take off, removed the vac advance line and said there was too much advance, but not why. It was pants. 20mpg on a 998 E with a 2.9 FD, PANTS! And £60 shy in the pocket.

This was only a plot so not much to go wrong. It was done by Daniel Harper, i think he's the younger of the brothers, and a bit more of the tech guy. I also seem to remember he was the guy who did a lot of the development work on the SPi. Had a kind of one on one chat about the engine. He said its fairly good and that it could do with the cooper ECU to give it more fuel(knew that anyway). I asked about the Superchip's Icon (not that I will EVER buy one) just to see what reaction i got. Very good he said and then explained that you can achieve much the same with moving the reluctor + - 5 degrees. What you gona pay, £300 for the Icon or blood and sweet moving the reluctor.

I still think that MiniSport is the place to go in the north west (Deffo not Automech in Cadishead) for rolling road tune, they know minis inside out, but i think this depends how well you know what they are doing as well and talk to them, and if your lucky, will have the parts on the shelf, IE needles, plugs, and the likes. I've never had a problem with them in this way. Most RR's these days dont know what an SU carb is.

How do you get on in the US, they must get freaked out when you turn up with a pint size car with an SU carb, do the have rollers narrow enough to get the Mini on?

Minisport Attitude though stinks, but then that can be said about the Lancastrian attitude some times anyway. Some of there own design parts are not the best by far - who redesigns knuckle joints that have been around for over thirty five years when they designed their Adjusta Rides, standard knuckles dont fit, money spinner if i ever heard one. Doh.

And they are not the cheepest.

Any way. Like I said, I havent had a problem and never will as its only going to be plots from now on.

On 26th Oct, 2004 TurboDave16v said:
Is it A-Series only? I think it should be...
So when some joey comes on here about how his 16v turbo vauxhall is great compared to ours, he can be given the 'bird'...


On 26th Oct, 2004 Tom Fenton said:
Yep I agree with TD........


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when i was there with my first engine they filed the needle on one side (chap with a tash) and i havent ever been back since. They even canceled my credit for returning an item because i didnt use the credit up in time.

Good results, still lots to come though!

I've seen the future and tbh its Pie


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Er no its not them, i will speak to the spanny monkey and find out.

Minisport were good when they set my MPI up, I found that adrian and the youngish guy in the garage really helpful, wouldnt sell me things if they wouldn't have the effect i was after. put tyres on rims for free, gave me an extra 10% over standard sale prices.

generally good service, and a top drive to get there from our gaff as its all over the moors!

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Maybe you should take your styling ideas off the French instead! "


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On 07/08/2006 12:20:19 andeh said:

when i was there with my first engine they filed the needle on one side (chap with a tash) and i havent ever been back since.


Thats what the guy did with mine, im sure its the same guy, will never go back there for a tuneup.

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On 07/08/2006 14:00:46 Jackman said:

On 07/08/2006 12:20:19 andeh said:

when i was there with my first engine they filed the needle on one side (chap with a tash) and i havent ever been back since.


Thats what the guy did with mine, im sure its the same guy, will never go back there for a tuneup.



I don't see the problem with just filing the needle on one side, after all what you are trying to achieve by filing it is to increase the available area at the jet for a given dashpot lift. Whether the extra area is evenly all around the needle or at one side doesn't make a toss of difference in my opinion, I have filed needles like this myself plenty of times when doing needles for class 1 autograss engines and it has always worked fine.


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Well it was also filed on a rich needle to richer at just above idle and at driving rpm which didnt help, i always thought my car would have been louder after the stage one, but as soon as MS noticed the advance it was very very quite compared to how it was.

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Yeh, what they did to Jackmans engine was pants.

As for filing the needle, i also dont see there being an concern, after all thats what Visard suggests. As said its not the shape but the size of the jet at a perticular throttle opening that matters. That is how anyone other than ML Motorsport tune SU's, trying to get the exact needle for your engine would cost an absolute bomb. ML Motorsport manufacture a needle to the exact profile to match your engine. I have no idea how that works or how they work out the profile in the first place.

On 26th Oct, 2004 TurboDave16v said:
Is it A-Series only? I think it should be...
So when some joey comes on here about how his 16v turbo vauxhall is great compared to ours, he can be given the 'bird'...


On 26th Oct, 2004 Tom Fenton said:
Yep I agree with TD........


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Oh and Peter, I will be doing active research with the MSII V3. This version 3 has the capebility to control a five wire stepper, high or low impedence injectors and direct fire distributer or wasted spark ignition. This makes it ideal for me when i swap to the 16valve multi point. Baisicaly going to set it up for the 16valve but run only 1 injector. Ive got a rover idle valve which has the same plug and works in a similar fashion to the stepper motor on the SPI, makes it easy on the code. Just need to source the hardware, undecided whether to buy the kit and build it myself or buy it built and tested.

LOTS more to come.

Any one got a stage three head going cheep??

On 26th Oct, 2004 TurboDave16v said:
Is it A-Series only? I think it should be...
So when some joey comes on here about how his 16v turbo vauxhall is great compared to ours, he can be given the 'bird'...


On 26th Oct, 2004 Tom Fenton said:
Yep I agree with TD........


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i might know some one. i'll have words.

peter the 90 bhp kit rarely makes it minisport reckon only three mpi's have evey made it.... though i could be wrong so dont quote me.

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Maybe you should take your styling ideas off the French instead! "


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On 07/08/2006 19:13:13 dev said:

peter the 90 bhp kit rarely makes it minisport reckon only three mpi's have evey made it.... though i could be wrong so dont quote me.


I think that is what Peter was getting at with the "90bhp" rather than 90bhp........


On 29th Nov, 2016 madmk1 said:


On 28th Nov, 2016 Rob Gavin said:
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Like fuel 😂😂


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i think they are all different to be honest.

there are three mpi's in my local club and mine makes 98 bananas the rest make 88

TurboDave said

"Fab's right of course.

Maybe you should take your styling ideas off the French instead! "


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on the same rollers?


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yeah as far as i'm aware. strange eh?
i know that mine has diff internals to the other two but that wouldnt equate to such a diff would it?

TurboDave said

"Fab's right of course.

Maybe you should take your styling ideas off the French instead! "


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that depends on what the difference are I gues?


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crank, pistons, flywheel, rods also mine has k&n direct and they have panels and air boxes? so there is some diff there i suppose.

TurboDave said

"Fab's right of course.

Maybe you should take your styling ideas off the French instead! "

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