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Joe C

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Carlos Fandango

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I this sounds daft but i remember someone a while back was thinking about using an ally exhaust to save weight, and it was a knoledgable person too IIRC.

i think it was the in reference to the back box and maybe the link pipe, did it ever happen? did it melt? are there any chemical reaction concerns? or did i imagine it? (perhaps)

On 28th Aug, 2011 Kean said:
At the risk of being sigged...

Joe, do you have a photo of your tool?



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i made myself one way back in 94 i think it was, the single back box was about 300mm wide with rounded sides, the pulses from the exhaust gasses fatigued it on the top and bottom due to having big flat areas,i welded it up a couple of times but soon got sick of it so had one hand made in steel at Tony Law exhausts here in leeds.


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The standard can on my bike is made from alloy not sure how well they last as I changed it for a race one but they are used on bikes by quite a lot of people with no problems so can't see why a car would be different


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Alloy bike exhausts have been around for a few years and I havnt seen any fail so far they seem to be made from somthing real tough.
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On 7th of Nov, 2006 at 11:58pm AllanMcD said:
Alloy bike exhausts have been around for a few years and I havnt seen any fail so far they seem to be made from somthing real tough.
Allan


think the key to carl's failure and the success of the bike cans is the cross section, id guess the bike cans are round?

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Some one i know built a aluminium rear box for his turbo mini its was made from a pneumatic ram so the walls were around 5mm thick think he has had no prblems with it possible its a little to loud tho also looks the dogs


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5mm thick? So , it's heavier than a steel box then...

On 13th Jul, 2012 Ben H said:
Mine gets in the way a bit, but only when it is up. If it is down it does not cause a problem.



Joe C

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5 mm is pretty damn thick!!

hmm, it actually sounds more feasible than i thought!

basicly, i'm looking at doing a 2 1/4" or 2 1/2" system, and i remembered something about ally exhausts from way back.

Fair enough Carls failed (I assume this was on a NA engine?) but with a turbo there shouldn't be as much pulsing (although there may be a lot of resonance) and nowhere near as much silencing is needed so a round silencer box should give enough silencing and hopefully hang together.

It's something that can i can put together fairly cheaply and try, if it doesn't work it doesnt work!

On 28th Aug, 2011 Kean said:
At the risk of being sigged...

Joe, do you have a photo of your tool?



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There is a 206gti that races in the Hot Hatch race series. It seems to be holding up, and its the same one that has been on all year. However it does limited mileage so i wouldn't be sure on road mileage.


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I think it work hardens quite quickly. Your bog standard stuff anyway.

I reckon that the way to go is mild steel personally. :) Stainless is an arse to work with, as is virtually everything else.

Did you know, titanium is the only metal that burns in nitrogen?

Bugger off, I'm getting there.


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Corvette Z06 uses titanium. $$$$ to save a claimed 17 pounds. Since a mini exhaust is much smaller, I bet you're looking at saving maybe 6 pounds. Aluminum is lighter than titanium though.

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On 9th of Nov, 2006 at 03:12am fortfun said:
Corvette Z06 uses titanium. $$$$ to save a claimed 17 pounds. Since a mini exhaust is much smaller, I bet you're looking at saving maybe 6 pounds. Aluminum is lighter than titanium though.


But you'll need five times the amount of material to make it equally strong...

So, the consensus is:

Aluminium alloy exhausts, the suck!

End of discussion. Also, the dissapate heat quicker which also sucks.

On 13th Jul, 2012 Ben H said:
Mine gets in the way a bit, but only when it is up. If it is down it does not cause a problem.



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Hey wait - if they suck we should all use them for their superior scavenging!

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I thought CCC made one a few years ago for a Mk2 Escort....dont recall much about it though...

On a Mini, the exhaust is so short anyway, how heavy is one ??

Thinwall stainless might be an easier option.

As for titanium. I felt the weight of an entire exhaust system for a Subaru in titanium. I was absolutely amazed at how light it was !!!! Standard/aftermarket stainless sytems must be about 6-7 times the weight.

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Most after market manufacturers make ally cans for bikes I have never seen one fail,they dont use ally internals.I have used loads and sold hundreds.
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Here's another thought, a longer system will run cooler more often and get quite a bit of acidic condensate, this will burn through it in no time. A bike can will run hot and so not really suffer from this. I suppose you could coat it but the expansion/contraction of this would probably flaw the surface anyway.

Be interesting to know how much Ti stock is. Do have to get myself a tig welder as well.........

Bugger off, I'm getting there.


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Thin wall steel tube is what you want.

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On 2nd Jan, 2013 fastcarl said:

the design shows a distinct lack of imagination,
talk about starting off with a clean sheet of paper, then not bothering to fucking draw on it,lol

On 20th Apr, 2012 Paul S said:
I'm mainly concerned about swirl in the runners caused by the tangential entry.


fastcarl

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when i had the exhaust for my green hillclimb mini at Tony Laws in Leeds about 14 years ago i had them make it one gauge thinner, every lttle helps.
the cost of titanium [in either g2 or g5] ranges from about £50.00 to well over £1000.00 a kilo. OH plus vat of course.
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