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rena

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hello,

i am new here..... so mabey a novice question....
few years ago i bought a phase 2 camshaft...problem is ,it got lost between some other shafts and now i dont know wich is the phase 2 anymore...

please can you guys help me out how to recognize a phase 2 from another....there are no marks on it , it was bought at avonbar and at that time it was in a piper box...

hope u can help me out...

rena

Edited by AlexB on 18th Dec, 2006.


slater

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It will be stamped into the oil pump end.

ABR002 or something to that effect


rena

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nothing stamped in....... no markings

are the lobes on camshaft bigger or/smaller than normal?


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it'll be on a regrind, i think, so should have a smaller base circle. If the others arnt re-grinds you should be able to identify it this way. Otherwise you can measure the difference between the lobe and the base circle to give the lift of the lobes, this will be dramatically bigger than any std cam (if the others are std items), or at least different from other manufacturers camshafts.

I've seen the future and tbh its Pie


rena

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so...correct me if i'm wrong....the lobes shouldnt be "sharp" ...a phase2 has a more and longer lift ??


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The ph2 has massively more lift than any std cam, so indeed should look 'sharper', but the only real way to tell is to measure the angles and/or duration, though you could probably decern the cam from the rest by measuring the lift.

I've seen the future and tbh its Pie


rena

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sorry for beeing a noob....but how do i measure it correctly????
if i measure a std cam ( i think its std) then its 28 mm width and 34 mm high.
The phase 2 ( again wich i think it is) is 25 mm widt en 32 mm high an looks a lot smaller and sharper.

All the cams i have arn't installed yet

tnx


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Put it in the engine,you will tell what it is when you come to set the cam timing


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rena

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.....ok will try that ....but before i do so...
If a cam looks sharper, and the lobe measures lower....then the lift and time off lift should be less??????
or am i thinking the wrong way around?


QuimFintas

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Hi, onde dillema, witch is best, T2 of avonbar or moorspeed.
anyone use morspeed cam?

Regards Daniel

Edited by QuimFintas on 12th Sep, 2008.


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the phase 2 is renownd to produce the goods!

one gent on here AKA:- fabrice called it a hungry lion .... and he is right






QuimFintas

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morspeed have a the "MSPD T2 high boost Turbo cam" and "phase 2", avonbar have their "Phase 2 cam", witch better?
Ben if you can write in simple english, I am grateful because my english is a little bad.

Ass; Daniel Machado

Edited by QuimFintas on 12th Sep, 2008.


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i would go for the avonbar phase 2 cam
you wont go wrong!!!

the Avonbar phase 2 is the cam to get






Rod S

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On 18th Dec, 2006 rena said:
If a cam looks sharper, and the lobe measures lower....then the lift and time off lift should be less??????
or am i thinking the wrong way around?


Not that simple, it's the height of the lobe relative to the base circle diameter that gives lift.

Using your figures,

On 18th Dec, 2006 rena said:

if i measure a std cam ( i think its std) then its 28 mm width and 34 mm high.
The phase 2 ( again wich i think it is) is 25 mm widt en 32 mm high an looks a lot smaller and sharper.


If the measurements have been taken at the right places, the "width" is essentially the base circle diameter (that might be a bit simplistic for a long duration cam but close enough for the comparison) so your first one has 32-28 ie, 6mm lift.
The second one is on a much smaller base circle and has 32-25, ie 7mm lift.... more than the first.

It may look "sharper" simply because of the much smaller base circle but without putting it in an engine and measuring the duration, you simply can't tell by looking where the basecircle starts to rise.

The second one is a regrind and has more lift than standard so it is most likely the PH2.

Edited by Rod S on 12th Sep, 2008.

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QuimFintas

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Me again,
the price of avonbar cam Phase is £205
and morspeed Te turbo Hight boost is only £65, why the big diference in the price, is the phase soo much superior?

Regardsa Daniel


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its because avonbar now only supply billet camshafts as it is becoming very hard to get hold of standard shafts to re-grind.

i think...


Brett

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i think the price you have quoted from avonbar for the phase 2 camshaft is for the full kit,
ie camshaft, cam followers, lube possibly a timing disc where as the price quoted for morspeed is just the cam, *wink* i think i payed about £62 for my p2 from avonbar

i had the phase 2 in my build dont have anything to compare it to but i liked it :)


EDIT: just been on the site, and looks like James_H is right although if you have a cam to send them they will have it reprofiled for you:) keep an eye on ebay they come up all the time for about a £5er

Edited by Brett on 22nd Sep, 2008.

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QuimFintas

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I have 2 turbo cams in home
I will send a email to avonbar, I am in Portugal, if I can buy in ebay I will send directely to avonbar.
The price in avonbar is £205 only for cam
the kit is £280.

Edited by QuimFintas on 22nd Sep, 2008.

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