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Where can I get some 2 1/4", 2 3/4" and 3" high tensile bolts like ARP or Unbrako. I have tried all the usual suspects and some others to no avail. Well i havent phoned about the ARPs yet but id expect them to be expensive.

Any help would be apretiated.

Sprox

On 26th Oct, 2004 TurboDave16v said:
Is it A-Series only? I think it should be...
So when some joey comes on here about how his 16v turbo vauxhall is great compared to ours, he can be given the 'bird'...


On 26th Oct, 2004 Tom Fenton said:
Yep I agree with TD........


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i've got a link on my work computer of a place that seems to do most unbrako stuff.

if not give TMS a call.
TMS Ltd
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Corringham Road
Gainsborough
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Tel: 01427 612301


they get my anything i want. i do know the owner though and its 5mins walk from my house *happy*


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will you be using these new bolts for the main caps?.

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On 13th of May, 2007 at 09:56pm fastcarl said:
will you be using these new bolts for the main caps?.

carl
Yes mate, im not happy with the bolts that came with the center main strap or the four bolt cap for that matter.

In fact i asked what the grade of bolt was as it wasnt marked and i just got a blank look.

Is going for a 12.9 bolt a good idea? or am i better sticking with the 8.8s that are supplied, the original mains bolts look better than the ones that come with these center straps/ caps.

I want it to hold together and it would piss me off greatly if it failed because of a bolt not up to the job.

The whole thing is not ideal so i just want to make the best of a bad job.

Iain, thanks, i'll see what i can find with that info. if you could find a link that wound be even better *wink*

Edited by Sprocket on 13th May, 2007.

On 26th Oct, 2004 TurboDave16v said:
Is it A-Series only? I think it should be...
So when some joey comes on here about how his 16v turbo vauxhall is great compared to ours, he can be given the 'bird'...


On 26th Oct, 2004 Tom Fenton said:
Yep I agree with TD........


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On 13th of May, 2007 at 10:48pm Mini Sprocket said:

Ian, thanks, i'll see what i can find with that info. if you could find a link that wound be even better *wink*




Address postcode phone number supplied, why on earth do you need a link, phone them up and ask if they can supply what you need..... *oh well*


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On 28th Nov, 2016 Rob Gavin said:
I refuse to pay for anything else


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Edited. No need for the swearing. TF.

Edited by Tom Fenton on 13th May, 2007.

On 26th Oct, 2004 TurboDave16v said:
Is it A-Series only? I think it should be...
So when some joey comes on here about how his 16v turbo vauxhall is great compared to ours, he can be given the 'bird'...


On 26th Oct, 2004 Tom Fenton said:
Yep I agree with TD........


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these guys have been good in past

http://www.toolfastdirect.co.uk/acatalog/u...elf_Colour.html


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He asked for a link because Iain told him he had a link for a place that could help him, the other tip Iain had was the one he supplied in his post...


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BTW, the original bolts are not 8.8. They are 10.9 in the Minispares kit at least.

On 13th Jul, 2012 Ben H said:
Mine gets in the way a bit, but only when it is up. If it is down it does not cause a problem.



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On 14th May, 2007 Vegard said:
BTW, the original bolts are not 8.8. They are 10.9 in the Minispares kit at least.


Sorry to drag up an old thread (especially such a contentious one, but it's the closest I could find on a search...)

I've just received my box of bits from MiniSpares, including the cenre main cap plate and the bolts supplied have SAE/ASTM markings for SAE Grade 5 (ASTM A449) which, is pretty much ISO grade 8.8 equivilant, not 10.9 (they would have to be SAE grade 8 to be equivilant to ISO 10.9).

So what have other people had supplied in the past (ie, have they dropped their standard?)

And, is anything higher than 8.8 really necessary for a road engine?

And finally, does anyone know what the standard factory bolt grade is (the markings on mine don't conform to the SAE/ASTM standards) to know whether the ones I've been supplied are any better, or just longer !!!

Rod.

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well i was supplied with 3 stripe ones with my engine kit, and these stretched when i tried to torque them up, i replaced these with the high tensile 6 stripe bolts. not sure what the iso.sae grade of them are offhand

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3 stripe = sae grade 5
6 stripe = sae grade 8

http://www.unified-eng.com/scitech/bolt/boltmarks.html

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Yes, three stripe (grade 5) is what I've been supplied with.

Essentially the lowest grade that can be called "High Tensile".

SAE 5 = (approx) ISO 8.8 (a basic high tensile bolt)
SAE 8 = (approx) ISO 10.9

What torque did yours start to stretch at ???

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(post repeated itself ????)

Edited by Rod S on 19th Jan, 2008.

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i did them to 50, then to 70, but i couldnt achieve 70 lb/ft

here is the bolts:







id bin them and get pukker ones

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in that last pic, you can see where one of them has 'thinned' where it has stretched, maybe someone should send MS this link?

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This was my concern and the original reason for this topic.

Robert, nothing contentios anymore, You just have to laugh. I never did find anywhere to get the cap head bolts, though Smith and Bulough in Bolton may be wrth a phone call. As is the place Iain mentioned.

I have opted to use the standard Factory bolts all round. 998 ones for the extra 'four bolt' ones and the 1275 ones for the main caps. Though the Swiftune studs look a good option.

Does anyone actualy do longer studs for use with a strap? no one advertises they do. Id expect you would need to order them specialy??

On 26th Oct, 2004 TurboDave16v said:
Is it A-Series only? I think it should be...
So when some joey comes on here about how his 16v turbo vauxhall is great compared to ours, he can be given the 'bird'...


On 26th Oct, 2004 Tom Fenton said:
Yep I agree with TD........


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Chester

Just had exactly this problem with my centre main strap from minispares. Had them in and out a few times to plastigauge and they stretched.

I also noticed they were not long enough at 3.5" as the standard ones are 2.75" + the 1" strap should make them 3.75" to have the equivalent length as OE.

I managed to track down some cap head 3.75" bolts as part of Rob Walker's centre main strap kit.

Nick.


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what are they again, 7/16? 1/2 unf?

http://www.ballsfasteners.co.uk/shop/searc...ize=1/2"%20UNF

these guys seem to have almost everything

"Turbo's make torque, and torque makes fun"

"did you know you can toast potato waffles?"



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what are they again, 7/16? 1/2 unf?

http://www.ballsfasteners.co.uk/shop/searc...ize=1/2"%20UNF

these guys seem to have almost everything

"Turbo's make torque, and torque makes fun"

"did you know you can toast potato waffles?"



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and its a link too!
(sniger :))

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I ordered some ARP bolts for my main caps from APT in the states. Since I am putting a strap on the center main he sold me 2/3s his ARP stud kit and 2 additional ARP bolts for the center main. They should be arriving any day now….


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OK,
So it looks like the two bolts I have been supplied aren't really up to it (I can't really check the length accurately until the cap is machined but the grade certainly seems wrong) so I'll try and get some decent ones (imperial size with an ISO rating ...Hmmmm...)
Nice link (Joeybaby83), not come across that company before.
I Might try the States (Mikes1098) if the value of two bolts is low enough, but I've just been screwed by UK customs for importing a small (but expensive) package of engine management bits !!!

Rod.

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I *may* have found a 'cheap' source of ARP bolts - http://www.nolimitmotorsport.com - certainly on hte face of things they are waaay cheaper than any of the major Mini parts suppliers I have found so far.

Anyone else had any dealings with these people before I place an order ?

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finnings CAT bolts, 6 dash,
come in the correct length for a strap,

garanteed sae grade 8 and above quality,
as used in all my engines .
do not use the 3 dash bolts, !!!!!!!!!!
carl

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