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wil_h

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Anyone had similar problems to those described below? It's definately carb related. This is on the 998 turbo road car running a whopping 0.3bar (4.5psi).

It runs fine and make boost and is very smooth, more like a mildly cammed 998 rather than a turbo. But it occasionally just stops wanting to tickover or run below 2k. If you don't catch it and it stops it will not start again. But after, say, 5 minutes it will start but still won't tickover or run below 2k.

Cheers

Wil

Edited by wil_h on 13th Aug, 2007.

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On 2nd Jan, 2013 fastcarl said:

the design shows a distinct lack of imagination,
talk about starting off with a clean sheet of paper, then not bothering to fucking draw on it,lol

On 20th Apr, 2012 Paul S said:
I'm mainly concerned about swirl in the runners caused by the tangential entry.


Kean

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Do you think it may be heat related?

Do you have the bi-metallic strip in the carb still?


Turbo Shed

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i assume it ticks over fine most of the time and that you have driven a good few miles and then some times wont tickover.

could be crap in the carb float chamber but not likely.
could be fuel line size, fuel filter, fuel vapourising, fuel pressure regulator
could be a vacum leak


wil_h

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What bimetalic strip. I have never rebuilt a carb so not 100% on issues.

Infact, the one on the TT and the one on the road car are as they came from the scrapyard/box of bits.

Fastest 998 mini in the world? 13.05 1/4 mile 106mph



On 2nd Jan, 2013 fastcarl said:

the design shows a distinct lack of imagination,
talk about starting off with a clean sheet of paper, then not bothering to fucking draw on it,lol

On 20th Apr, 2012 Paul S said:
I'm mainly concerned about swirl in the runners caused by the tangential entry.


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When it won't start is it overfuelling or no fuel? E.g. are the plugs wet and black or dry?


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wil_h

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On 10th of Aug, 2007 at 08:20am Turbo Shed said:
i assume it ticks over fine most of the time and that you have driven a good few miles and then some times wont tickover.

could be crap in the carb float chamber but not likely.
could be fuel line size, fuel filter, fuel vapourising, fuel pressure regulator
could be a vacum leak


Crap seems unlikely (as you say) as when it on't tickover it still runs full boost no proble. The opposit of what crap would do I think.

Fuel lines are 6mm feed and 8mm return, I'd expect any issues to affect boost conditions rather than tickover.

fuel filter is clean

Fuel vaporising is a thought, but the carb wasn't that hot (infact quite cool, even at the flaot bowl), the heat shield was doing a grat job.

Pressure regulator could be set to high, possibly, but I'd have thought that this ould be a constant problem not intermittant.

Vacuum leak, checked all pipes and all ok, again I'd have thought that this would be a constant fault rather than intermittant.

Some grat ideas there though, cheers

Fastest 998 mini in the world? 13.05 1/4 mile 106mph



On 2nd Jan, 2013 fastcarl said:

the design shows a distinct lack of imagination,
talk about starting off with a clean sheet of paper, then not bothering to fucking draw on it,lol

On 20th Apr, 2012 Paul S said:
I'm mainly concerned about swirl in the runners caused by the tangential entry.


wil_h

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On 10th of Aug, 2007 at 08:23am Tom Fenton said:
When it won't start is it overfuelling or no fuel? E.g. are the plugs wet and black or dry?


Good question, I never had a plug socket with me every time it stopped. On to check next time I test it.

Fastest 998 mini in the world? 13.05 1/4 mile 106mph



On 2nd Jan, 2013 fastcarl said:

the design shows a distinct lack of imagination,
talk about starting off with a clean sheet of paper, then not bothering to fucking draw on it,lol

On 20th Apr, 2012 Paul S said:
I'm mainly concerned about swirl in the runners caused by the tangential entry.


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i'd go with too rich at the bottom end


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On 10th of Aug, 2007 at 10:01am iain said:
i'd go with too rich at the bottom end


ok, but what's making the fuelling change? It ran for 20mins no problem. Then went wrong, then later after me tea the same thing happened, but after a much longer time.

Fastest 998 mini in the world? 13.05 1/4 mile 106mph



On 2nd Jan, 2013 fastcarl said:

the design shows a distinct lack of imagination,
talk about starting off with a clean sheet of paper, then not bothering to fucking draw on it,lol

On 20th Apr, 2012 Paul S said:
I'm mainly concerned about swirl in the runners caused by the tangential entry.


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Could be the O rings on the choke assembly are perished and leaking. They cause intermittent problems and could be causing overfuelling which the motor will cope wit at high speed etc but won't cope low end and idle.
Mat


Kean

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I'd check the fuel pressure, then make sure the needle valve isnt allowing fuel through.

Also check the choke seals arent guffed.

Like Tom said, check the plu condition as soon as it happens, mine floods plugs all the time if left to idle too long.

Hope you sort it mate.


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that jet thing in the carb could be forked

When it wont start, turn off the pump and see if it will then


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On 10th of Aug, 2007 at 05:04pm Nic said:
that jet thing in the carb could be forked

When it wont start, turn off the pump and see if it will then


Pump dosent run when cranking, owing to my amazing wiring!!

Tom, I've just been out to try and start it (from cold) and nothing. I've inspected the plugs out and they are dry. The is fuel in the float bowl as if I squeeze the return pipe it comes out of the jet, good test hu!.

So it's carb off and strip down time I think.

Fastest 998 mini in the world? 13.05 1/4 mile 106mph



On 2nd Jan, 2013 fastcarl said:

the design shows a distinct lack of imagination,
talk about starting off with a clean sheet of paper, then not bothering to fucking draw on it,lol

On 20th Apr, 2012 Paul S said:
I'm mainly concerned about swirl in the runners caused by the tangential entry.


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Pump dosent run when cranking, owing to my amazing wiring!!

this could be compounding things ?

also............
intermittent sticking float valve?

when you boot it does it black smoke a little ? if so ... too rich you will be able to sort this with the carb adjustment






wil_h

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When you switch on, the pump primes the system then stopps, it then starts pumping again when the engine starts.

The priming is more than enough to fill an empty float bowl and the pum isn't needed for starting, so this is not the problem.

No black smoke when booting it. Plugs look good too.

Fastest 998 mini in the world? 13.05 1/4 mile 106mph



On 2nd Jan, 2013 fastcarl said:

the design shows a distinct lack of imagination,
talk about starting off with a clean sheet of paper, then not bothering to fucking draw on it,lol

On 20th Apr, 2012 Paul S said:
I'm mainly concerned about swirl in the runners caused by the tangential entry.


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Can dashpot spring do strange things like this? Had problems with one once.

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wil_h

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Well it turned out to be shit in the jet believe it or not.

What was happening was the shit was jamming the needle and stopping the dashpot from falling fully.

Fastest 998 mini in the world? 13.05 1/4 mile 106mph



On 2nd Jan, 2013 fastcarl said:

the design shows a distinct lack of imagination,
talk about starting off with a clean sheet of paper, then not bothering to fucking draw on it,lol

On 20th Apr, 2012 Paul S said:
I'm mainly concerned about swirl in the runners caused by the tangential entry.


BENROSS

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super wil! good filter required now ?






wil_h

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I think the shit must have been post-filter or in the carb already, as I say, it was straight of another car untested.

Car goes well with the BENROSS head though, pity the springs are wank and the valves bounce at 5.5k, I'll have to change them for stronger ones soon.

Fastest 998 mini in the world? 13.05 1/4 mile 106mph



On 2nd Jan, 2013 fastcarl said:

the design shows a distinct lack of imagination,
talk about starting off with a clean sheet of paper, then not bothering to fucking draw on it,lol

On 20th Apr, 2012 Paul S said:
I'm mainly concerned about swirl in the runners caused by the tangential entry.


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On 10th of Aug, 2007 at 08:20am Turbo Shed said:


could be crap in the carb float chamber


i'm just so good! hang on..... having trouble .... getting my....head through the door..

lol


wil_h

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Indeed shedboy, your hats should no longer fit.

Fastest 998 mini in the world? 13.05 1/4 mile 106mph



On 2nd Jan, 2013 fastcarl said:

the design shows a distinct lack of imagination,
talk about starting off with a clean sheet of paper, then not bothering to fucking draw on it,lol

On 20th Apr, 2012 Paul S said:
I'm mainly concerned about swirl in the runners caused by the tangential entry.

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