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Hello,

I have a problem with my mini...here is the spec:
1312cc, 8:1 CR, ported head with 31mm exhaust valves, std valve springs, piper phase III cam, big IC, std. t3 turbo. Boost is around 1.4 bar.
The problem with the car is that it pulls like train up to 6300-6400 rpm and than it seems like it loses power. Since I have Phase III cam, I 've expected power till at least 7500rpm.

I also have megajolt on the car and in that area of map (6000 rpm, 240 kpa) I have timing set at 25°.

Also I have tried to take boost down to 0.7 bar and timing up to 27° and i still have the same problem.

I have fuel around 11:1 on wideband so I don't think that is the problem.

what could be the problem? Std. turbo head valve spring? Vibrating crank sensor?


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276 in mine ign timing at approx 16 degrees,.can nearly get 8k(just under 60mph in 1st)


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Whats the rev limit set to on the megajolt, and what is the cam timed in at??


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I suspect you are running rich, 11:1 AFR is 0.74 Lambda and widbands sensor acuracy at this AFR is some what vague

I personaly wouldnt be running less than lambda 0.8 or AFR 11.8:1 at the very outer limits

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Yep I agree with TD........


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this is your problem ..........#

QUOTE:-- Std. turbo head valve spring?

go with mini sprocket as well






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What turbo are you running? could the turbine be resticting the flow of the exhaust gasses?

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??

On 12th of Aug, 2007 at 01:51pm turbo1312 said:
std. t3 turbo.


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0.25a/r on a standard metro turbo T3 turbine.

Try a RS Turbo Escort turbine, I belive they are in the 0.36 mark, that will give your motor plenty of room to breath


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On 12th of Aug, 2007 at 07:56pm miniminor63 said:


??

On 12th of Aug, 2007 at 01:51pm turbo1312 said:
std. t3 turbo.


I must be going blind, they said it would happen.

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On 12th of Aug, 2007 at 09:53pm SumpNut said:
0.25a/r on a standard metro turbo T3 turbine.

Try a RS Turbo Escort turbine, I belive they are in the 0.36 mark, that will give your motor plenty of room to breath


You think that turbine housing could be to small?? Did you guys had trouble with that?

Edited by turbo1312 on 13th Aug, 2007.


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On 12th of Aug, 2007 at 05:42pm BENROSS said:
this is your problem ..........#

QUOTE:-- Std. turbo head valve spring?

go with mini sprocket as well


But my brother has n/a mini with 276 cam 10.5:1 CR that goes up to 7300 no problem with std. double springs.


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but he does not have a phase 3 cam fitted

ditch the phase 3 cam they dont work! only on fully selected engine components and a well thought out parts combination on a hot cooking track motor
ditch the CAM is my advice

you will be getting coil bind with those standard springs and that phase 3 cam

this is where the MAIN problem lies!

go for the phase 2 or N/A mg cam

what size inlet valves are you running, you dont state

are these race valves??






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On 13th of Aug, 2007 at 08:25pm BENROSS said:
but he does not have a phase 3 cam fitted

ditch the phase 3 cam they dont work! only on fully selected engine components and a well thought out parts combination on a hot cooking track motor
ditch the CAM is my advice

you will be getting coil bind with those standard springs and that phase 3 cam

this is where the MAIN problem lies!

go for the phase 2 or N/A mg cam

what size inlet valves are you running, you dont state

are these race valves??


I have std. inlet valves (33 mm) and 31mm exhaust valves from vw 1.6 TD


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On 14th of Aug, 2007 at 06:34am turbo1312 said:



On 13th of Aug, 2007 at 08:25pm BENROSS said:
but he does not have a phase 3 cam fitted

ditch the phase 3 cam they dont work! only on fully selected engine components and a well thought out parts combination on a hot cooking track motor
ditch the CAM is my advice

you will be getting coil bind with those standard springs and that phase 3 cam

this is where the MAIN problem lies!

go for the phase 2 or N/A mg cam

what size inlet valves are you running, you dont state

are these race valves??


I have std. inlet valves (33 mm) and 31mm exhaust valves from vw 1.6 TD



there you go, a bad not well thught out combination of parts *frown*





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