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urbantricker

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Hi,

I have just started to dismantle an old A+ 1275 block that I have ready to rebuild for my Supercharger which I have bought from Vmax.

At the moment I have this all set up on a 1330cc pretty standard engine and I am looking to get more BHP from it! And have always wanted to rebuild a mini engine (this will be my first one)

The supercharger is an Eaton 45 and I am running a Weber DCOE 45 as well with electronic fuel pump.

I have an Aldon distributor (points).

I have started to try and make a list for the ultimate engine specification but I am not sure what sort of compression ratios I need and what are the best parts to get.

Basically I am looking for some advice on the perfect engine for a supercharger. I am not looking for huge top speeds, I am looking for quickest accelleration.

Here is a list so far:

- Rebore to 1293cc (is this the best for a supercharged engine?)
- Omega deep dish (18cc) forged pistons
I know that these will lower the compression because there is more volume but I have also been advised to stay away from 1380cc engine.. but I would have thought this would lower the compression even further by getting deep dished 73.5mm pistons, is there something I am missing?
- I was advised to a kent 286 cam.
- Vernier duplex timing
- 1.5 Rockers
- Lightened flywheel assembly etc.
- The head, I am not sure yet.
- Straight cut gearbox (i am not sure what sort I should go for here regarding gear ratios etc)

These are the main bits to the engine I suppose, is there anything else I am missing that I may think is insignificant but would actually play a major role!?

Sorry for the massive message, any help on any of these questions would be greatly appreciated.

I have attached a picture of my mini too, this was before the supercharger was fitted (it now doesnt fit under the bonnet properly!)

Thanks,

Ian


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Edited by urbantricker on 11th Oct, 2007.

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Paul S

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You need to work out from your pulley ratios what boost you are likley to be running and then select the bits to give you the compression ratio to suit.

Use this calculator to work out your boost:

You may have to adjust the boost required to work backwards to the ratio you have.

You could go to 1380. A number of guys on here are running high boost on 1380s without a problem. But if you want to be able to rebore the block in the future, aim a bit lower.

Edited by Paul S on 11th Oct, 2007.

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mini23

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Here's a link to my album
http://www.turbominis.co.uk/index.php?p=14&album=550

1330 forged omegas, 1.5 rollers, 29cc chambers in the cylinder head, steel centre strap on the crank and nos.

2:1 reduction pulleys spinning the charger to 14000 rpm, upper end of its range and even then just below 10psi so this will be the limiting factor on what is achievable power wise.

Changed the sailsbury lsd/3.44 to a quaife ATB/2.7 recently and apart from not being able to drive slowly in 1st the ratios work well on the road with the torque delivery of the supercharger


Jordan

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Loving the mini btw mate

Back once again like a renegade master


urbantricker

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Axel, cheers for the link, seems to work really well I am having a couple of problems with it though. I am not sure what my engine would rev to do you know roughly what an engine of that spec would go to? What is the boost measured in? And also, is the compression ratio the drive ratio?

I have put in engine size of 1.293, max rpm 8000 and boost up to 89 on an eaton 45 supercharger which gets the supercharger rpm just below max is that what I am aaiming for?

Sorry I am quite new to all this.


Nice looking mini, mini23. I couldnt quite read the BHP on the print out you had, what was it?

2:1 reduction pulleys spinning the charger to 14000 rpm, upper end of its range and even then just below 10psi so this will be the limiting factor on what is achievable power wise.


So is 14000rpm on the Eaton M45 its limit?

I spoke to Stuart at Vmax and the engine spec I listed on the first post he said would give 200bhp, I thought this was a bit unrealistic, anyone else have any opinions on that?

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Paul S

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On 12th of Oct, 2007 at 09:41am urbantricker said:
And also, is the compression ratio the drive ratio?


I respectfully suggest that you get a copy of David Vizard's "Tuning the BL A Series Engine" and read it from cover to cover. Read the forced induction chapter twice, then most of your questions will be answered.

Mini23s car is a good indicator of what can be achieved running the blower at twice engine speed.

10 psi is about 70kpa.

8000rpm is a bit on the high side, 7000 more realistic.

Edited by Paul S on 12th Oct, 2007.

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urbantricker

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My brother has that so I will start reading it as soon as I can!

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