PLEASE HELP WITH NEXT STEP :( **setting fuel pressure?**
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Hi, connected everytihtng now, everythings ffinished. Samco hoswes and dump valve are on, ready to go. Car wont move in gear at all, wont turn over, feels like engines seized. Changed starter. Engine ran perfect before, but cyliunder one is full of fuel, brimming to the top, where i connected the fuel pipe to the anti run on valve outlet last week. How to i get rid of the fuel in it, as i think that is causing the engine to lock up. Also what could i have damaged, as i tried to bump it like this :(

Edited by jamesfawcett on 8th Jul, 2004.

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it shouldn't affect it being full of fuel, it should just spit it out of the exhaust, what have you changed on the engine? when i put on my flywheel casing it totally locked upthe diff and everything!!!! just wondering, cos if we know what ya have done then we maybe able to help ya.

could you get some thin tube in through the spark plug gap and syphon it off? wont fire with all that fuel in and if it did i would love to hear the bang!

damage, just bump staring i wouldnt have thought you would have done any, but, iff a cylinder is full of liquid when an engine is running, i think im right in thinking that bent conrods are the order of the day, but that is with an engine running at revs, not bump starting

take the starter motor off, remove all your plugs and try and turn the flywheel (use a lever like a large screwdriver onthe teeth) with plugs removed and the fuel drained out of that cylinder it should turn over easily by hand, if not, it may be seized

what else have you messed with on the engine?

ryan

er...disagree with this one, if the cylinder is full of fuel and you try to bump start it, you can still do ALOT of damage! The fuel will only drain out if the cylinder is on the exhaust stroke as the other 3 strokes are compressing or pulling in. You may have been lucky and the clutch will have taken the strain but, at worst you may have bent con rods or cracked the block.

How did the cylinder get full of fuel? do you have a leak in your carb or is your fuel regulator knackered? the float valve will only take so much pressure before opening regardless, the only place for fuel to go is down to through the inlet manifold to the valves, if there is an inlet valve open (which there almost certainly will have been) the cylinder will soon fill up with fuel.

Take the spark plugs out as previously mentioned and crank the engine, the full cylinder will exhaust the fuel straight out of the plug hole, make sure your coil is disconnected as this is a time NOT to have a spark. When you have done that, get the offending cylinder to TDC and shove some kitchen roll through the plug hole to soak up what is left, capillary action should help you with this but the fuel will also start to evaporate when air gets to it. Leave it at least overnight then try to turn it over again with the fuel pump and ignition disconnected, if it turns over, you may have been lucky, put it back together and see if it starts BUT CHECK YOUR FUEL REGULATOR FIRST!

Oh, and good luck.

Dave

Speedster turbo under construction

As Sprky says, If it's full of fuel, disconnect the coil (all wires) pull the plugs out, and crank it over.

Bear in mind - your sump will be a fuel/oil mix now. So once you've proven that the engine cranks with no plugs in, drain the oil off, and re-fill. The filter should be changed also.

This hapened to me a few weeks ago when my return was blocked. Annoying, but has to be done. A fire in the sump is hard to put out....

Edited by turbodave16v on 3rd Jul, 2004.

it was me being thick, even after checking all the connections three times before connecting hte battery and fuel pump, i had the fuel pipe onto the breather side of the carb, the anti run on valve one. I printed the picture in the faq wrong, and they infact cross over, i read it totally wrong. I have just left it overnight with the plugs out. I only lightly bumped it, but the wheels locked up when i did on the gravel. I am going to try the syphninh thing to get excess fuel out.

I currently have the engine with no starter on and no plugs in. ill buy some oil to change the oil tomorow. Can i just ask a thick question though, without ever doing it before, what else will i need? Ill change the filter, but thats also brand new as is the oil. Ive only ever topped it up, never had a non-leaking engine!

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Previous engine: STD metro turbo, megajolt
Drives: 399bananahp (flywheel) Honda Civic Vtec b18c4 T28 Turbo 1968 Mini

Megajolt maps to download: http://www.jamesfawcett.co.uk/cms/index.ph...&gid=3&Itemid=3

btw, how come when i try push it in 4th anyway the fuel doesnt flow out of the spark plug holes???

Previous Engine: 1040cc Morespeed engine, 1275 turbo head T2 Turbo Mirage Manifolds Megajolt
Previous engine: STD metro turbo, megajolt
Drives: 399bananahp (flywheel) Honda Civic Vtec b18c4 T28 Turbo 1968 Mini

Megajolt maps to download: http://www.jamesfawcett.co.uk/cms/index.ph...&gid=3&Itemid=3

just been in garage, the oil is FULL of fuel, right up the dip stick. I tried to undo the sump plug but the biggest socket i have is 5/16ths. Ill try get one tomroow. Does this mean that under the pistons, and on top it is solid fuel/oil? Could that be why it wont move?

Previous Engine: 1040cc Morespeed engine, 1275 turbo head T2 Turbo Mirage Manifolds Megajolt
Previous engine: STD metro turbo, megajolt
Drives: 399bananahp (flywheel) Honda Civic Vtec b18c4 T28 Turbo 1968 Mini

Megajolt maps to download: http://www.jamesfawcett.co.uk/cms/index.ph...&gid=3&Itemid=3

it wont move if when teh top of the pistons/bore etc is full of any liquid, as you cannot compress a liquid, if you crank with the sparkplygs out, it should crank fine. and squirt al the liquid out the plug holes.

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Denis O'Brien.

well the inside of your gearbox should be nice and clean at least!!!

im going to drain the oil this afternoon, and then try push it then

Previous Engine: 1040cc Morespeed engine, 1275 turbo head T2 Turbo Mirage Manifolds Megajolt
Previous engine: STD metro turbo, megajolt
Drives: 399bananahp (flywheel) Honda Civic Vtec b18c4 T28 Turbo 1968 Mini

Megajolt maps to download: http://www.jamesfawcett.co.uk/cms/index.ph...&gid=3&Itemid=3

just set it draining. It only had oil up to the minimum before, but so far one and a half full builders bucket's have been filled with petrol smelling thin oil. im really dreading the outcome of this.

Previous Engine: 1040cc Morespeed engine, 1275 turbo head T2 Turbo Mirage Manifolds Megajolt
Previous engine: STD metro turbo, megajolt
Drives: 399bananahp (flywheel) Honda Civic Vtec b18c4 T28 Turbo 1968 Mini

Megajolt maps to download: http://www.jamesfawcett.co.uk/cms/index.ph...&gid=3&Itemid=3

feebs you will be ok ;
get an oil pressure gaugue connected up
TIM do a capilery one dirt cheap ...

get you oil in ; make sure you have enough !!!! dont forget the oil cooler ....

When you start her up; watch that gaugue and wait ; should be about 5s before it registers nice !!!

you aint run her up with the crappy oil/petrol mix so as long as you havnt spent hours cranking her over you should be safe

I think so anyway

I would also do another oil change straight away as well ; once she is running again ; and I mean straight away ; like 5 mins running

For the first go just get some crappy halford oil

seen MY intercooler In show US YOuRS !!

steve

TurboLessTosser

You should be ok i would of thought, always crank it over with the plugs out to get oil pressure up if an engine has been stood or put in a different car. Primes it nicely.

Im pretty sure it should be fine, only one way to find out! just leave the plugs out initially and that extra fuel will be fired out the hole.

ok thankyou, i really dont want to get my hopes up though. I didnt jump it that hard, and when i released the clutch anyway it just slid on the gravel, i then rolled the further about 400 yards right down hte hill to my mates house where he took my battery and charged it, and toed me home! so ive been on one journey with it anyway.

ive got a smiths oil pressure guage in already.

Previous Engine: 1040cc Morespeed engine, 1275 turbo head T2 Turbo Mirage Manifolds Megajolt
Previous engine: STD metro turbo, megajolt
Drives: 399bananahp (flywheel) Honda Civic Vtec b18c4 T28 Turbo 1968 Mini

Megajolt maps to download: http://www.jamesfawcett.co.uk/cms/index.ph...&gid=3&Itemid=3

Feebs.
Sounds like the gravel drive might have saved you a chunk of wedge there. You are right, the engine will have had fuel/oil on both sides of the piston(s) - hence not turning over. You should be fine with the oil swapped for the second time. And as TD said, your engine will be mint internally!

Speedster turbo under construction

lucky!

actually. Maybe not so lucky. Oils fully out, ive just tried to push it in 4th. Nothing. It wont budge, and the flywheel doesnt move at all, i can see the teeth through the starter motor hole :(

whats the next thing to try, should i remove the rockers and see waht the push rods are like to check for bent ones?

Previous Engine: 1040cc Morespeed engine, 1275 turbo head T2 Turbo Mirage Manifolds Megajolt
Previous engine: STD metro turbo, megajolt
Drives: 399bananahp (flywheel) Honda Civic Vtec b18c4 T28 Turbo 1968 Mini

Megajolt maps to download: http://www.jamesfawcett.co.uk/cms/index.ph...&gid=3&Itemid=3

i am going to go and take it out of gear, and try wedge and turn the flywheel teeth arround to see if it moves anything

Previous Engine: 1040cc Morespeed engine, 1275 turbo head T2 Turbo Mirage Manifolds Megajolt
Previous engine: STD metro turbo, megajolt
Drives: 399bananahp (flywheel) Honda Civic Vtec b18c4 T28 Turbo 1968 Mini

Megajolt maps to download: http://www.jamesfawcett.co.uk/cms/index.ph...&gid=3&Itemid=3

right ive tried that, nothing moves. Im going to take clutch housing off and have a look in there first to see if anythings stuck, dont know why it should be but its worth checking. Are the head gaskets the same for the turbos as the 1275 metros? If they are, i have a spare one so i might take the head off, dont really want to do this though and upset it. Cant think of owt else though.

Previous Engine: 1040cc Morespeed engine, 1275 turbo head T2 Turbo Mirage Manifolds Megajolt
Previous engine: STD metro turbo, megajolt
Drives: 399bananahp (flywheel) Honda Civic Vtec b18c4 T28 Turbo 1968 Mini

Megajolt maps to download: http://www.jamesfawcett.co.uk/cms/index.ph...&gid=3&Itemid=3

SORTED IT! well got engine to spin!

its worse than connecting fuel pipes to breathers, this time, the engine mount bolt was too long, adn stuck into the hole on the flywheel/clutch and jammed it :( :)

Previous Engine: 1040cc Morespeed engine, 1275 turbo head T2 Turbo Mirage Manifolds Megajolt
Previous engine: STD metro turbo, megajolt
Drives: 399bananahp (flywheel) Honda Civic Vtec b18c4 T28 Turbo 1968 Mini

Megajolt maps to download: http://www.jamesfawcett.co.uk/cms/index.ph...&gid=3&Itemid=3

did you try pushing it in 1st or reverse? Due to the ratios moving the car 1 foot will not move the engine a great deal. Did you take all the plugs out? It is unlikely that you will have bent valve gear (push rods etc) as it is the pistons that were being held by the liquid.

I believe the head gaskets are different as they are always listed separately from regular A+ 1275 gaskets, probably to do with boost and compression ratios. Would work as a get out of jail free card though!

Speedster turbo under construction

nice one!!!!!

It is always the simplest of things!

Time to get re-building and re-oiling, get it fired up and let us know! that bolt may have saved your engine from death, fate deals strange hands !

Dave

Speedster turbo under construction

will do :) going to go put flywheel housing back on., Unfortunately cant start it tonite, im out of oil :(

Previous Engine: 1040cc Morespeed engine, 1275 turbo head T2 Turbo Mirage Manifolds Megajolt
Previous engine: STD metro turbo, megajolt
Drives: 399bananahp (flywheel) Honda Civic Vtec b18c4 T28 Turbo 1968 Mini

Megajolt maps to download: http://www.jamesfawcett.co.uk/cms/index.ph...&gid=3&Itemid=3

do you not have a petrol station near you? You will need to change the oil again anyway to ensure you have got all the fuel out.

Get it fired up

Speedster turbo under construction