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bertieboo

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Right im at a crossroads for brakes, do I just plunge for the fiesta option as its the cheepest or are the 4 pots from the likes of minisport, minispares etc a better option! Im building a turbo engine for the road and i want to have decent enough brakes! Does anyone have any experience of these 4 pots?


Joe C

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I think both will be good,

you need to weigh up the cost against the unsprung weight.

On 28th Aug, 2011 Kean said:
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Joe, do you have a photo of your tool?



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Paul S

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When i decided to use the Fiesta brakes a few months ago, I found that I could not get hold of the sliders that hold the calipers.

All the Mk2 Fiestas around my way have been scrapped and the sliders are no longer available from Ford.

In the end i went for the Cooper S 2 pots.

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I've a set of minisport ones, they are five years old and I would do it again.


bertieboo

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I had that thought about the fiesta brakes, that in a few years if i need anything there may be no parts about!

I wonder is cooper s/4 pots the same debate as mini brakes/metro 4 pots - you know 4 small pistons compared to 2 big pistons and not a whole pile of difference!

Has anyone changed from cooper s to the likes of minisport or minispares 4 pots?

Edited by bertieboo on 25th Jan, 2008.


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Two small pistons vs one big? same debate? The people debating that obviously preferres 2v engines I guess...

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Mine gets in the way a bit, but only when it is up. If it is down it does not cause a problem.



bertieboo

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Well, from what iv heard and what i have seen, that on 4 pots there are 2 small pistons compared to the 1 big piston on each side, conlcuding that there wasnt a big difference at the end of the day!

Tell me if im wrong, thats just what people over here have said

Edited by bertieboo on 25th Jan, 2008.


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Assuming you got for alloy ones you get better heat disapation and lower unsprung weight. The 4 pot pad is bigger than the S pad so more swept area.

Edited by Jay#2 on 25th Jan, 2008.

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I can't use either the Fiesta conversion or the MiniSpares 4 pots because I have 10" Mambas and they are one of a few 10" alloys that will only fit over the "S" setup (confirmed by others for the Fiesta conversion and stated on the leaflet inside the MiniSpares box as these "may" not fit under Mambas so I wasn't going to take the risk). So beware, not all 10" wheels are equal !!!

On 25th Jan, 2008 Vegard said:
Two small pistons vs one big? same debate? The people debating that obviously preferres 2v engines I guess...

Not quite the same, engine valves work on flow area which is essentially valve circumference X lift, and circumference is Diameter X Pi. So two valves half the size of one are essentially equal and as soon as you can squeeze the two in, each at more than half the size of one, things get better.
With brake calliper pistons it's the surface area that matters and area is Diameter Squared X Pi / 4. So two brake pistons half the size of one have half the overall area when added together.
The surface area of a 1" piston, for example, is 1/4 the surface area of a 2" piston.
In fact the two little ones need to be 0.707 times the diameter of a single one (rather than 0.5) to have the same overall area.

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even pressure on the larger pad also helps alot on four pots.


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I can't help but wonder how many people, who fit ali 4/6 pot brakes at great expense, have the opportunity/ ability to drive their car fast enough to gain any benefit from them.
Is it just another thing to spend money on?
Are standard brakes with the right pads good enough for all but out & out race use?
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Joe C

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well,

I havent found a set of brakes i can't cook yet.

loads of people say S brakes are fine for race use so must be fine for road use, but for road use you must remember that the braake will be subjected to stopping rather than just slowing.

currently i have S brakes with 1144 pads and no servo and can fade these. *oh well*

On 28th Aug, 2011 Kean said:
At the risk of being sigged...

Joe, do you have a photo of your tool?



http://www.turbominis.co.uk/forums/index.p...9064&lastpost=1

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On 25th Jan, 2008 mini13 said:


currently i have S brakes with 1144 pads and no servo and can fade these. *oh well*


Ditto! I had a run in with a Hyundi of all things, he took offence that a brown mini could move fairly quick. A session of him braking hard to try and get me to run into the back of him soon have my slotted S disc/1144 combo stinky and well cooked.

On 7th Nov, 2008 Nic said:
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