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minimole23

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I have just set about stripping the head off my donar engine and found the piston crowns to be stamped with a B. The pistons I was planning on putting in are stamped A.

I'm guessing B stamped pistons are larger then A stamped pistons and will throw piston to skirt clearences out.

If this is the case I'm screwed!

Edited by minimole23 on 25th Mar, 2008.

On 7th Oct, 2010 5haneJ said:
yeah I gave it all a good prodding


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I don't know what the A & B means...

Measure it and see. This is the only way.

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if im right in thinking (i may be wrong) the a b thing is the grade of piston not the size


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a and B are different pistons in the sens that they are not exactly the same bore so A bore pistons are going into A bored bore and B bore pistons are going into B bored blocks,
you can have an A block honed to B specs, then reverse isn't possible


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On 23rd Mar, 2008 fab said:
a and B are different pistons in the sens that they are not exactly the same bore so A bore pistons are going into A bored bore and B bore pistons are going into B bored blocks,
you can have an A block honed to B specs, then reverse isn't possible


Correctimundo. Similar to how Rover had a selection of big end and main bearings of the 'standard' size with different tollerencies. Just easier to build stuff faster that way as tollerencies can wander on the production line. LOL, ive seen stuff on a transmission production line of a very large, very well known car manufacturer, that would make your jaw drop. Anyone heard of a Friday afternoon car *wink*

While we are on the subject of markings, any one know what the letters on the bottom flange of the block relate to?

Edited by Sprocket on 23rd Mar, 2008.

On 26th Oct, 2004 TurboDave16v said:
Is it A-Series only? I think it should be...
So when some joey comes on here about how his 16v turbo vauxhall is great compared to ours, he can be given the 'bird'...


On 26th Oct, 2004 Tom Fenton said:
Yep I agree with TD........


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Oh, and there is nothing wrong with a little more piston clearance on a high performance engine *wink*

On 26th Oct, 2004 TurboDave16v said:
Is it A-Series only? I think it should be...
So when some joey comes on here about how his 16v turbo vauxhall is great compared to ours, he can be given the 'bird'...


On 26th Oct, 2004 Tom Fenton said:
Yep I agree with TD........


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Thanks, I will just get on a tear it apart.

On 7th Oct, 2010 5haneJ said:
yeah I gave it all a good prodding


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The mains are the same history. Just had an A+ ABA block line honed, where the centre main bearings had wiggled like crazy. B= Bad.

On 13th Jul, 2012 Ben H said:
Mine gets in the way a bit, but only when it is up. If it is down it does not cause a problem.



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ok, to give me an idea if they are likely to be fine, so I dont rip a good engine apart for no reason i tried the pistons in the bore from the top down.

The clearences were if anything a little tight at 90 degrees to the gudgoen pin and a little slack at the end of the gudgeon pin. I can only assume that it is the clearences at 90 degrees to the gudgeon pin that are important.



Also One of the pistons has a slight ding in the skirt next to the gudgeon pin. It is only slight but Will this be ok to use?



Thanks

On 7th Oct, 2010 5haneJ said:
yeah I gave it all a good prodding


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On 24th Mar, 2008 Vegard said:
The mains are the same history. Just had an A+ ABA block line honed, where the centre main bearings had wiggled like crazy. B= Bad.


Close, *tongue*

I now realise what they mean, and you are not far off *wink*



The G is for Green, and the R is for Red. The colour codes of the different tollerence bearings. Just read the workshop manual *laughing*

On 26th Oct, 2004 TurboDave16v said:
Is it A-Series only? I think it should be...
So when some joey comes on here about how his 16v turbo vauxhall is great compared to ours, he can be given the 'bird'...


On 26th Oct, 2004 Tom Fenton said:
Yep I agree with TD........


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Piston Clearance is measured at the bottm of the skirt and across the pins ( not along)

Thats because there will be a larger clearance at the pin boss because there is more mass there and they expand more, its at the bottom of the skirt too because the piston has a larger clearance at the top due to there being more mass there also

If I recall, for a high performance engine, clearancies are around 2.5 to 3 thou, but if its a reguar road engine expecting to see decent mileage, then set for the upper limit on the factory clearancies.

If the clearancies are bigger than 3 thou, i'd be looking at either new liners or oversize pistons. dont forget pistons wear as does the bore. to much slop and the engine will be noisey when cold, loose an efficient ring seal, suffer blowby, and increased oil consumption.

On 26th Oct, 2004 TurboDave16v said:
Is it A-Series only? I think it should be...
So when some joey comes on here about how his 16v turbo vauxhall is great compared to ours, he can be given the 'bird'...


On 26th Oct, 2004 Tom Fenton said:
Yep I agree with TD........


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I just hat a look at mine. They're AYA..Y=Junk :)

On 13th Jul, 2012 Ben H said:
Mine gets in the way a bit, but only when it is up. If it is down it does not cause a problem.



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Y = yellow and is used if the Green is too tight. Red is used if its too loose.

I have a block thats YYY lol

On 26th Oct, 2004 TurboDave16v said:
Is it A-Series only? I think it should be...
So when some joey comes on here about how his 16v turbo vauxhall is great compared to ours, he can be given the 'bird'...


On 26th Oct, 2004 Tom Fenton said:
Yep I agree with TD........


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Well, I took the block to my machine man today, and mesured the pistons. They will indeed fit the block after a hone which is good.

I have a YYY stamped block.

On 7th Oct, 2010 5haneJ said:
yeah I gave it all a good prodding


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Thought id add here rather than start new thread.. i have 2 engines.. one with an A stamped on the face of the block.. and one with a B stamped on the face of the block.. this one also has B stamped on the pistons.. from what i gather the tolerance thing is b block means b pistons.. etc but what is the difference between a and b?

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The difference is minimal I would say, but relevant for a production engine.

We just honed the B block out, ran 5 thou piston to bore clearance and it ran like a dream. Now sat under the bed for a rainy day as I replaced it with a 1380 engine.

On 7th Oct, 2010 5haneJ said:
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