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nogin

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cant find any info on this and yes i have searched, basically after 2000 miles with little abuse my thrusts have given up, grey plate and all set up properly, will pop picks up when i find out as i know every one loves to see pictures, was a thread not long ago about chamfering the main bearing but cant find that

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here you go,

i'm part way through doing this but need access to a 90 degree drill.

http://www.turbominis.co.uk/forums/index.php?p=vt&tid=196529

On 28th Aug, 2011 Kean said:
At the risk of being sigged...

Joe, do you have a photo of your tool?



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nogin

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yes i did find them after a bit more searching in not the obvious place, why not just drill at a slight angle as the oil gallery goes straight down

ye for the screws stupid me

Edited by nogin on 5th May, 2008.

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yep for the screws lol

On 28th Aug, 2011 Kean said:
At the risk of being sigged...

Joe, do you have a photo of your tool?



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nogin

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also this is only on the side which the crank gets pushed up against, would be piontless doing both sides i guess, wouldnt one of those small electric screw drivers work as there small enough

Edited by nogin on 5th May, 2008.

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yep that what I thought, so you would only need to mod one of the four thrusts.

On 28th Aug, 2011 Kean said:
At the risk of being sigged...

Joe, do you have a photo of your tool?



http://www.turbominis.co.uk/forums/index.p...9064&lastpost=1

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Jason G

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would you do the bottom one on the clutch side as well? Just to stop the oil getting behind the thrust?
Edit; Remember...brass screws! :)

Edited by Jason G on 5th May, 2008.

On 19th Jan, 2010 wil_h said:
I would start the furthest place from the finish.


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fastcarl

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yes you need to fix both thrustsm back, use a small elec drill and dont break the bit in the block,lol,

easy peasy lemon squezy, .
don't forgrt the £30.00 levy lol.
carl,

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I actually came out with a sensible answer! Cheers fastcarl...another beer I owe ya! *wink*

On 19th Jan, 2010 wil_h said:
I would start the furthest place from the finish.


On 24th Mar, 2012 apbellamy said:
I feel all special knowing that I've given your mum my wood.


Been neglecting Turbo'd 'A' series..............


paneermeel

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Hi,

i took the engine apart and i want to do a lot of mods to build a better engine.

One of those mods is to get more oil to the trusts. I found the solution Carl made. But to keep it simple: What if you make a groove in the main bearing to the trusts?

This way more oil gets to the thrusts then normal.
Carls solution gets the oil more direct to the trusts but one thing that i keep thinking: What if you drill youre block and thrusts and you need to replace the thrusts? How do you get the new thrusts alined with the already drilled holes?

Modding the bearing can be repeated again and again and ag........

Has anyone tried modding the bearing or has more info about it.

Regards Paneermeel

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On 4th Dec, 2010 paneermeel said:
Hi,

i took the engine apart and i want to do a lot of mods to build a better engine.

One of those mods is to get more oil to the trusts. I found the solution Carl made. But to keep it simple: What if you make a groove in the main bearing to the trusts?

This way more oil gets to the thrusts then normal.
Carls solution gets the oil more direct to the trusts but one thing that i keep thinking: What if you drill youre block and thrusts and you need to replace the thrusts? How do you get the new thrusts alined with the already drilled holes?

Modding the bearing can be repeated again and again and ag........

Has anyone tried modding the bearing or has more info about it.

Regards Paneermeel



Putting a groove in the bearing as you suggest will ruin the lubicating film on the main bearing. There is more than enough oil leaving the main bearing to oil the thrusts. It drains past the thrusts at very low pressure, almost zero probibly, and the oil is drawn into the thrust bearing. The real problem is that with excessive pressure from an uprated clutch with such a small thrust bearing surface area, the oil film is overcome. Feeding oil onto the thrust face at pressure helps maintain the oil film.

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Is it A-Series only? I think it should be...
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Yep I agree with TD........


paul wiginton
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One of the big problems is getting the crank hardened then polishing the thrust faces - not grinding them. If theyre just polished the carbon that creates the case hardening creates a rough sandpaper like surface that wears the soft bronze material away very quickly.
It needs to be ground to get a nice finish

I seriously doubt it!


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I changed the van's std thursts for bigger ones after Carl had modded them for us. I used the original thrust as a template to drill the new one. As long as you are careful it will be fine.

On 11th Feb, 2015 robert said:
i tried putting soap on it , and heating it to brown , then slathered my new lube on it

*hehe!*


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On 4th Dec, 2010 paul wiginton said:
One of the big problems is getting the crank hardened then polishing the thrust faces - not grinding them. If theyre just polished the carbon that creates the case hardening creates a rough sandpaper like surface that wears the soft bronze material away very quickly.
It needs to be ground to get a nice finish


This makes sense. I wonder how many of the thrust failures seen have some way in part been caused by this.

If something is worth doing, it's worth doing half of.


fastcarl

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you do not need a 90 deg drill, i set the tapping drill into a piece of 6mm bar 200mm long, this way you can almost get the threads square to the face, iv'e nevrr had any problem doing it this way .


Removing the residue/smut form the crank surface after hardening is a must and i cannot beleive anyone would be stupid enough not to do it,

on my cranks i take a scotch bright pad in the diesel vat and give it a bloody good scrub all over until it has all been removed,

then a good polish up with a suitably soaped emery belt belt on the bearing and thrust faces/tail end etc.

also make sure you clean the threads out on both ends, use a toothbrush /good gallery brush.

carl

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paneermeel

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I got a call from the workshop who is doing the work for me.

Mine engine is almost ready. They drilled a hole through the thrust and the main bearing, so the thrust is now oil fed :) But were now are talking about the need for the screws to hold the thrust. They are saying that there are not needed because the thrusts can not go anywere with is true.

But before i collect mine engine i want you're info about the need for the screws. Are they 100% needed or the icing on the cake?

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Yes you need them otherwise the oil is pressure fed behind the thrust awell making the thrust push against the crank at all times

I seriously doubt it!


Joe C

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they are needed as you need to make sure the oil goes the right side of the bearing *wink*

On 28th Aug, 2011 Kean said:
At the risk of being sigged...

Joe, do you have a photo of your tool?



http://www.turbominis.co.uk/forums/index.p...9064&lastpost=1

https://joe1977.imgbb.com/



paneermeel

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ok then, tomorrow i will get some brass screws to get the last part done.

there is nothing wrong with a A-series that a turbo can't fix.

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