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tadge44

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I,m looking at converting a RWD car from live axle to IRS and thinking of using a Mini front subframe with all the suspension,hubs etc and a solidly mounted diff from a Sierra or similar.Does anyone have some scrap or tatty bits that I could play around with before going for it,please ?.


Gavin Wakely

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Single tower bolt later type or early twin bolt ?

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I will have in about 4-6 weeks.

You might also want to consider the Metro one (I scrapped one about a year ago) same principle, unlinked hydragas units instead of rubber, but a slightly wider track than a Mini and the ball joints are sealed screw in units rather than all those shims.....

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tadge44

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Gavi. Given it is going to be a non-standard installation,I dont think it matters.
Rod.Thanks for the Metro idea.I dont need a wider track, but I guess it will be easier to source the Metro stuff in scrappys.Is it easy to adapt it to coilovers do you think?.


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On 23rd Aug, 2008 tadge44 said:

Is it easy to adapt it to coilovers do you think?.


Coilovers on a Metro frame...
If I understand coilovers right (I've never used them on a Mini) don't they attach to the damper mounting point on the top suspension arm ???
If so, you might be limited in choice of Metro as many models didn't have dampers (they just used the internal chatacteristics of the hydragas units) so I'm not sure if the mounting point exists on all of the Metro top arms. However, knowing Leyland/Rover, they probably only made the one arm whether they wanted a damper or not.....

Two other points apart from the track being a bit wider, (a) the Metro would probably allow more suspension travel than a Mini as the top arm is longer and (b) the "A" and "K" series frames have different bottom arm arrangements, "A" being similar to a Mini (except the two tie rods are replaced by a single anti-roll bar) whereas the "K" has a more modern fabricated wishbone.

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I've got several single bolt subframes some bare some with top arms, you're welcome to come and sort what you want I'm only in Stoke Hammond just outside Leighton Buzzard. (I can brobably sort the lower arms an drive shafts aswell) 07967506369 p.s NO COST FREE 8-)


On 23rd Aug, 2008 tadge44 said:
Gavi. Given it is going to be a non-standard installation,I dont think it matters.
Rod.Thanks for the Metro idea.I dont need a wider track, but I guess it will be easier to source the Metro stuff in scrappys.Is it easy to adapt it to coilovers do you think?.

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What about the MG TF-metro subframes but with coil springs?

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One other thought...
If you're after something with a relatively narrow track and I'm guessing you want hubs with a 4" stud PCD, there's the Hillman Imp rear assembly, proper semi-trailing arms mounted on a single angle section which you could cut in the middle to make whatever track you wanted.
Seperate springs and shocks so you could ether use the shock mounting for coilovers or weld a new bracket on.

Probably harder to find in a scrappy nowadays though.

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thinking about this a bit I personally would go for the mini subframe,

it should be the right sort of width (for the A40?) can easily have discs put on,

can be made totally adjustable, and spares are cheap and available.

I reckon you could chop the top out of the turrets and mount the top of the colovers there depending on how it ends up mounted.

I woulnt use the metty subframe as the anti roll bar is used as a tie rod so make adusting camber dificult.

On 28th Aug, 2011 Kean said:
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Joe, do you have a photo of your tool?



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tadge44

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Just got back after a weekend away and very grateful for all the suggestions.Looks like the Metro is definitely second choice. Let me now come clean -its intended for an A35(very close,mini13) mainly because the live axle is just too much unsprung weight now that I have got the power some where near right.I intend to spend time in the winter playing with this idea, so I will pm you Gavin,to take you up on your offer,BTW i am a founder member of the hackit and weld club .


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I'm thinking of fabricating something along these lines using a Sierra diff and driveshafts.



Just needs shorting a bit to under a mini or an A35.

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On 25th Aug, 2008 tadge44 said:
Let me now come clean -its intended for an A35(very close,mini13)


I guessed as much hence my comment about "assuming you want a 4" stud PCD".

I agree with Joe that the Mini will give many more options on adjustment and the single anti roll bar (rather than two tie bars) does limit the Metro useage, but....

I wouldn't discount the Imp arrangement for a budget solution.

OK, they will be hard to come by but they are nearly the right track (easily corrected for someone used to welding), the hubs have the right PCD and they are meant for RWD. It is actually very similar to the Sierra arrangement.

Probably a lot easier to fit into the underside of a live axle car too.

Anyway, good luck with your Winter experiments.

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I found this the other day and thought of you:

http://www.mgcars.org.uk/cgi-bin/gen5?runp...oyleengine.html

Also a year back I saw a front engined RWD mini at Castle Combe with what looked like half a Caterham in the boot. If you have a look at the New Ron Champion book in your local library (Halfords) it's got all the plans for an IRS setup.

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tadge44

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Back again from a short break( in the rain) in N.Wales and the Lakes and just saw the item on IRS for MGB.Looks the biz but entails more fabrication than I had anticipated and also special hub carriers which puts up the cost a great deal. Ive said it before, but its still true -my toy allowance is limited.Thank you for your continued interest.I am seriously looking at the Imp rear suspension idea which sounds very simple if i can only source the parts.Dark nights looming so lots of opportunity for thinking and imagining.

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