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656 Posts Member #: 1917 AKA chargedzetec Milton Keynes |
8th Jan, 2009 at 01:04:23pm
Right, bear with me.
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2496 Posts Member #: 1954 Post Whore Luton Bedfordshire |
8th Jan, 2009 at 01:14:15pm
no, Pipe diameter and material determin back pressure and resonace and pressure wave, so no your power curve will be all over the shop. thats why good after market systems cost so much because they are tuned for the specific engine type.
Edited by Mr Joshua on 8th Jan, 2009. Own the day
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4018 Posts Member #: 1757 Back to Fucking Tool status Swindon |
8th Jan, 2009 at 01:50:35pm
is it for Normally asperated or turbo charged? they require two diffrent exhuast setups, eg N/a cars require some back pressue, where as forcred induction tend not to need it as much. as for silencing turbos act as a silencer :) Drives
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![]() 7765 Posts Member #: 74 I pick holes in everything.. Chief ancient post excavator |
8th Jan, 2009 at 02:52:48pm
On 8th Jan, 2009 Paul R said:
is it for Normally asperated or turbo charged? they require two diffrent exhuast setups, eg N/a cars require some back pressue, where as forcred induction tend not to need it as much. as for silencing turbos act as a silencer :) N/A engines don't need backpressure. You're thinking of two-strokes. On 13th Jul, 2012 Ben H said:
Mine gets in the way a bit, but only when it is up. If it is down it does not cause a problem. |
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2496 Posts Member #: 1954 Post Whore Luton Bedfordshire |
8th Jan, 2009 at 05:05:05pm
On 8th Jan, 2009 Vegard said:
On 8th Jan, 2009 Paul R said:
is it for Normally asperated or turbo charged? they require two diffrent exhuast setups, eg N/a cars require some back pressue, where as forcred induction tend not to need it as much. as for silencing turbos act as a silencer :) N/A engines don't need backpressure. You're thinking of two-strokes. I beg to differ. Own the day
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Site Admin ![]() 15300 Posts Member #: 337 Fearless Tom Fenton, Avon Park 2007 & 2008 class D winner & TM legend. |
8th Jan, 2009 at 05:07:26pm
If you just want to use the silencer I think it would work OK.
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On 28th Nov, 2016 Rob Gavin said:
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![]() 9326 Posts Member #: 59 First mini turbo to get in the 12's & site perv Herefordshire |
8th Jan, 2009 at 05:08:06pm
Yeah V!!!
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Site Admin ![]() 15300 Posts Member #: 337 Fearless Tom Fenton, Avon Park 2007 & 2008 class D winner & TM legend. |
8th Jan, 2009 at 05:10:05pm
On 8th Jan, 2009 Vegard said:
N/A engines don't need backpressure. You're thinking of two-strokes. Why does a NA engine lose power if it has a big hole in its exhaust then?
On 29th Nov, 2016 madmk1 said:
On 28th Nov, 2016 Rob Gavin said:
I refuse to pay for anything else Like fuel 😂😂 |
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8604 Posts Member #: 573 Formerly Axel Podland |
8th Jan, 2009 at 05:15:12pm
On 8th Jan, 2009 Tom Fenton said:
On 8th Jan, 2009 Vegard said:
N/A engines don't need backpressure. You're thinking of two-strokes. Why does a NA engine lose power if it has a big hole in its exhaust then? Coz the fueling is then wrong due to the VE change. If an NA engine is set up with the correct fueling and ignition for zero back pressure then it will be fine. If an injected car loses back pressure, if it hasn't got closed loop control on a wideband lambda, then it will lose power. Saul Bellow - "A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep."
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4018 Posts Member #: 1757 Back to Fucking Tool status Swindon |
8th Jan, 2009 at 05:28:42pm
i have heard this also, but reading about some civic tuning parts for a friend the spoon sports exhaust system is only sutible for N/a cars not turbo because it holds backpressure for N/a performance or somthing along thoes lines
On 8th Jan, 2009 Nic said:
Yeah V!!! Apparently the k series vvc engine has a right tantrum if you dont have any back pressure Drives
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![]() 2909 Posts Member #: 83 Post Whore Glasgow, Scotland |
8th Jan, 2009 at 07:06:01pm
anyone here getting back pressure and gas velocity and momentum (with the bad side-effect of back pressure) mixed up here. you never want back pressure. you do want some momentum in the exhaust gas to help scavenging.. excuse the spelling :) turbo 16v k-series 11.9@118.9 :)
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8604 Posts Member #: 573 Formerly Axel Podland |
8th Jan, 2009 at 07:09:24pm
And you want a reverse pulse on the intake stroke as the exhaust valve is closing - I think. Saul Bellow - "A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep."
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![]() 7765 Posts Member #: 74 I pick holes in everything.. Chief ancient post excavator |
8th Jan, 2009 at 10:16:09pm
On 8th Jan, 2009 Tom Fenton said:
On 8th Jan, 2009 Vegard said:
N/A engines don't need backpressure. You're thinking of two-strokes. Why does a NA engine lose power if it has a big hole in its exhaust then? Because the scavenging of the exhaust won't make the exhaust gas completely empty the combustion chamber. For fucks sake, read a book on four-strokes... On 13th Jul, 2012 Ben H said:
Mine gets in the way a bit, but only when it is up. If it is down it does not cause a problem. |
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![]() 9812 Posts Member #: 332 Resident Cylinder Head Modifier Mitsi Evo 7, 911, Cossie. & all the chavs ...... won no problem |
8th Jan, 2009 at 10:29:26pm
for forced induction the best exhaust is none only a tuned length of pipe.
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![]() 3692 Posts Member #: 1833 Formally mini_majic Auckland, New Zealand |
8th Jan, 2009 at 11:14:54pm
this might sound a silly question but how do you calculate a tuned length system? |
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444 Posts Member #: 2885 Senior Member |
8th Jan, 2009 at 11:17:00pm
It will sound sweet anyway haha |
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261 Posts Member #: 713 Senior Member Western Australia |
9th Jan, 2009 at 12:43:15am
If the exhaust came off a 175hp R1, then it will flow adequately for (at least) a 175hp 2.0L car engine. Off course you will have to mate it to a header that suits your engine.
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4018 Posts Member #: 1757 Back to Fucking Tool status Swindon |
9th Jan, 2009 at 01:34:42pm
i second this :)
On 8th Jan, 2009 James_H said:
this might sound a silly question but how do you calculate a tuned length system? Drives
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2496 Posts Member #: 1954 Post Whore Luton Bedfordshire |
11th Jan, 2009 at 06:45:32pm
On 8th Jan, 2009 evolotion said:
anyone here getting back pressure and gas velocity and momentum (with the bad side-effect of back pressure) mixed up here. you never want back pressure. you do want some momentum in the exhaust gas to help scavenging.. excuse the spelling :) My bad sorry. Own the day
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![]() 2909 Posts Member #: 83 Post Whore Glasgow, Scotland |
11th Jan, 2009 at 06:54:10pm
wasnt aimed at anyone in particualr mate :) no need to apologise turbo 16v k-series 11.9@118.9 :)
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