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minimole23

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I wrote a rather long first post and it somehow went missing so I'll try again.

I am trying to calculate the total valve lift for a piper 285 scatter cam, plus 1.5:1 roller tip rockers and was wondering if someone could confirm my maths

Total lift as quoted by the piper website is 10.16mm or 400" for both inlet and exhaust

So i'm assuming total valve lift is 1.5 x 10.16 = 15.24mm or 599.9"

p.s I hope this makes sense as currently i have had 3 litres of cider!

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James

On 7th Oct, 2010 5haneJ said:
yeah I gave it all a good prodding


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You have to subtract tappet clearance and that also assumes that the rockers are a genuine 1.5:1 lift ratio. Depending on height etc. the rockers will probably be working at less than 1.5:1

On 12th Nov, 2009 Paul S said:

I think Gary OS has taken over my role as the forum smart arse *happy*


On 30th Apr, 2010 Rod S said:
Gary's description is best


minimole23

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Thanks

What/does the expansion of the metal account for then for the tappet clearences?

The rockers are minispares 1.5:1's

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I always set tapet Clerence hot so expansion acounts for nout

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I find the easiest way is to super glue the bolt to the end of one of my fingers.

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On 14th Jan, 2009 PaulH said:
I always set tapet Clerence hot so expansion acounts for nout
what do you set them to? I would have thought this to be the best way but never dare try it

Yes i moved to the darkside *happy*

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It depends on the cam I normal set any cam with a LSA of less that 106 deg to 018" and any more that 108 deg to 014"

on the higher duration cams I have always fount that a little more valve clearance seems to produce the best power rather than a little less the down side is a noise valve train never bothered me or any of the race folk.
There is also the add bonus of less side loading on the valve by the larger tappet clearance.

On 17th Feb, 2009 Rob H said:

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Paul S

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I think that the lift advertised by Piper is the valve lift with standard rockers.

Hence you need to divide by 1.3? before you multiply by 1.5.

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On 15th Jan, 2009 Paul S said:
I think that the lift advertised by Piper is the valve lift with standard rockers.

Hence you need to divide by 1.3? before you multiply by 1.5.


I just looked at the figures now and you must be right. 15mm lift is fooking mental!!!

On 12th Nov, 2009 Paul S said:

I think Gary OS has taken over my role as the forum smart arse *happy*


On 30th Apr, 2010 Rod S said:
Gary's description is best


minimole23

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I did think the lift was high, I will try that again with the adjusetd figures, still theres gonna be a fair old slab of lift there.

On 7th Oct, 2010 5haneJ said:
yeah I gave it all a good prodding


minimole23

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ahh, 11.7mm thats ok I did think 15mm was mental.

On 7th Oct, 2010 5haneJ said:
yeah I gave it all a good prodding

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