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turbo22

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my crank has been lightened and balanced but is it worth hardeding it as well as i will be running between 160-200bhp cant find anyting on this on the search!


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Forget tufriding, think nitriding.

Worth it if you plan to rev the knackers off it, say over 7k.

Or if you have a spare bit of cash it won't hurt. I pai'd £25 + vat to have mine done iirc. (8 years ago at bodycote in Stockport)

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On 2nd Jan, 2013 fastcarl said:

the design shows a distinct lack of imagination,
talk about starting off with a clean sheet of paper, then not bothering to fucking draw on it,lol

On 20th Apr, 2012 Paul S said:
I'm mainly concerned about swirl in the runners caused by the tangential entry.


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whats the difference wil

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On 13th Feb, 2009 wolfie said:
whats the difference wil


litterally the name, tuftriding is an ICI registered process, if i'm not mistaken, , nitrocarburising is the more common term,

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turbo22

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so it only costs roughly £30 to get done and its worth doing if you are going to stress your end?


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Nitriding is not nitrocarbonising.

Nitriding is a heat treatment in a controlled atmosphere, the others are chemical processes.

Well it only cost me £30 ish, but it was few years ago. Also, after the process you need the journels polishing, which will be a small cost.

Fastest 998 mini in the world? 13.05 1/4 mile 106mph



On 2nd Jan, 2013 fastcarl said:

the design shows a distinct lack of imagination,
talk about starting off with a clean sheet of paper, then not bothering to fucking draw on it,lol

On 20th Apr, 2012 Paul S said:
I'm mainly concerned about swirl in the runners caused by the tangential entry.


Vegard

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You can only nitride EN40B cranks as far as I know.

On 13th Jul, 2012 Ben H said:
Mine gets in the way a bit, but only when it is up. If it is down it does not cause a problem.



slater

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yeh, you cant 'nitride' a cast crank can you?

I have had several done as for £30 it seems liek good insurance, Its basicly to increse wear resitance is it not? so its a 'spend £30 now, dont spend £30 later' kind of deal


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Cast?

On 28th Aug, 2011 Kean said:
At the risk of being sigged...

Joe, do you have a photo of your tool?



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yeh cast, as in iron, not steel, cast not forged/billet


wil_h

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We I had it done to a standard 998 crank.

Fastest 998 mini in the world? 13.05 1/4 mile 106mph



On 2nd Jan, 2013 fastcarl said:

the design shows a distinct lack of imagination,
talk about starting off with a clean sheet of paper, then not bothering to fucking draw on it,lol

On 20th Apr, 2012 Paul S said:
I'm mainly concerned about swirl in the runners caused by the tangential entry.


fastcarl

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On 14th Feb, 2009 wil_h said:
We I had it done to a standard 998 crank.


do you know for sure it was Nitrided . or is it possible the place you took it too just either Tuftrided or Nitrocarburised , i was also told by the firm that carry out my Tufdriding that only illustrious steels can ne Nitrided.

carl

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It was deffo a heat process not a chemical process

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On 2nd Jan, 2013 fastcarl said:

the design shows a distinct lack of imagination,
talk about starting off with a clean sheet of paper, then not bothering to fucking draw on it,lol

On 20th Apr, 2012 Paul S said:
I'm mainly concerned about swirl in the runners caused by the tangential entry.


Paul S

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On 14th Feb, 2009 slater said:
yeh cast, as in iron, not steel, cast not forged/billet


I'm pretty sure that you will find that all A/A+ cranks are made from forged steel not cast.

Most are forged EN16T.

EDIT: Found this:



Interestingly, he claims that the Metro Turbo crank was a SG Iron casting.

Edited by Paul S on 14th Feb, 2009.

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On 14th Feb, 2009 wil_h said:
It was deffo a heat process not a chemical process


Actually Tuftriding is a higher-temperature process than nitriding, as it involves immersing the part in a bath of molten cyanide. Mmm, tasty!

Geoff


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nitriding is a chemical process tho too isnt it? they just bung ammonia in the furnace as a gas so it diffuses into the metal and forms nitrates with the verious alloy elements in the steel. Tuftriding is a simlar thing but with sodium cyanide in a liquid bath? the advantage of the nitriding being the lower tempretures involved dont warp the crank like sometimes happens with tuftriding and the hard layer produced is thicker with the nitriding.

thats about as far as my knowlage goes.


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On 15th Feb, 2009 slater said:
nitriding is a chemical process tho too isnt it? they just bung ammonia in the furnace as a gas so it diffuses into the metal and forms nitrates with the verious alloy elements in the steel. Tuftriding is a simlar thing but with sodium cyanide in a liquid bath? the advantage of the nitriding being the lower tempretures involved dont warp the crank like sometimes happens with tuftriding and the hard layer produced is thicker with the nitriding.

thats about as far as my knowlage goes.



which is as good an explaination as iut gets and we need,


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h4887

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Sure you don't want any more on nitriding? I'd hate to think Essex Education Authority wasted their money when they paid for me to get a BSc in chemistry *Nerd*

Geoff


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hello! local boy eh?

On 28th Aug, 2011 Kean said:
At the risk of being sigged...

Joe, do you have a photo of your tool?



http://www.turbominis.co.uk/forums/index.p...9064&lastpost=1

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I'm surprised Essex Council can afford to pay for anything!

On 19th Jan, 2010 wil_h said:
I would start the furthest place from the finish.


On 24th Mar, 2012 apbellamy said:
I feel all special knowing that I've given your mum my wood.


Been neglecting Turbo'd 'A' series..............


Joe C

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PMSL!!!!

damn straight, the can fix the effing roads for starters! maybe because most councels in essex stuffed their money in iceland banks....

not ot mention bazildrain councel haviing a masive overhaul costing 2 million on their offices, despite them being due for demolishment in 5 years...


grrrrrrr.

On 28th Aug, 2011 Kean said:
At the risk of being sigged...

Joe, do you have a photo of your tool?



http://www.turbominis.co.uk/forums/index.p...9064&lastpost=1

https://joe1977.imgbb.com/



h4887

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On 15th Feb, 2009 Jason G said:
I'm surprised Essex Council can afford to pay for anything!


It was a long time ago!

Geoff


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Mitsi Evo 7, 911, Cossie. & all the chavs ...... won no problem

so its nitriding the chaps.....lol






minimole23

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What is ni-tempering. Google hasn't turned much up.

Is it just some of the speed shops term for tuftriding or is it a different process?

On 7th Oct, 2010 5haneJ said:
yeah I gave it all a good prodding


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Nitride tempering.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Case_hardening

On 26th Oct, 2004 TurboDave16v said:
Is it A-Series only? I think it should be...
So when some joey comes on here about how his 16v turbo vauxhall is great compared to ours, he can be given the 'bird'...


On 26th Oct, 2004 Tom Fenton said:
Yep I agree with TD........

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