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 85 Posts Member #: 3600 Advanced Member Gateshead |
15th Dec, 2010 at 12:53:44pm
It will be interesting to see the collector for this lot, there is a lot of pipe to bring together. The design looks very neat though across the back of the head/block.
On 12th Dec, 2010 Paul S said:
Made some progress before the cold weather sets in again.  Edited by svrdaniels on 15th Dec, 2010. |
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 8604 Posts Member #: 573 Formerly Axel Podland |
15th Dec, 2010 at 01:29:47pm
The collector is going to be tricky. The outers do actually join at the end of the head. I'm planning on taking the centre and outer branches forward to the turbo and then a collector to take them down to the 38mm dia. GT17 inlet.
Saul Bellow - "A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep."
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 10020 Posts Member #: 1456 Mongo Barnsley, South Flatcapshire |
15th Dec, 2010 at 01:42:32pm
I do really, really like that manifold. If something is worth doing, it's worth doing half of. |
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 9258 Posts Member #: 123 Post Whore Betwix Harrogate and York |
15th Dec, 2010 at 02:20:11pm
Just to put my fab hat on for a minute. Are we really saying that such a manifold can increase the VE significantly? (10% based in wintersurfs figures).
On 14th Dec, 2010 theoneeyedlizard said:
Yes, my opinion of side mounted turbos has changed since Wintersurfers car has been running. 160 nanas at 10psi! Fastest 998 mini in the world? 13.05 1/4 mile 106mph
On 2nd Jan, 2013 fastcarl said:
the design shows a distinct lack of imagination, talk about starting off with a clean sheet of paper, then not bothering to fucking draw on it,lol On 20th Apr, 2012 Paul S said:
I'm mainly concerned about swirl in the runners caused by the tangential entry. |
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10020 Posts Member #: 1456 Mongo Barnsley, South Flatcapshire |
15th Dec, 2010 at 02:23:02pm
Robert seems to think his figures are about 20-25bhp optimistic at the smart rr day.
If something is worth doing, it's worth doing half of. |
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8604 Posts Member #: 573 Formerly Axel Podland |
15th Dec, 2010 at 03:02:57pm
On 15th Dec, 2010 wil_h said:
Just to put my fab hat on for a minute. Are we really saying that such a manifold can increase the VE significantly? (10% based in wintersurfs figures). It it was me I'd bin the side rad and put the turbo on that side if possible. With turbo, flywheel and driver all on one side corner weights will be a pain. Still, a lovey job, with thought and theory behind the design. I think I'm right in saying that VE of an engine is all in the head design. So binning the 5-port would be the easiest way surely. It is an interesting execise to see what the 5-port can do, but ultimately head design is the way to similar power-per-psi as a modern 16v motor. I'll not argue with that, but this is a 5 Port project. Surely though, you would not spend £1000 on a 7 Port and then bolt on the Metro Turbo exhaust manifold.....would you? There is no arguement that the MT manifold works, but we do not know if there are benefits to be had by using tuned lengths. That's how most the other engine tuners do it, so the probability of some gains is quite high. For my project, I was going to make a new manifold anyway as I don't want to cut the bulkhead. A few quids worth of extra stainless and we are sorted. Saul Bellow - "A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep."
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8604 Posts Member #: 573 Formerly Axel Podland |
18th Dec, 2010 at 05:18:01pm
Collector fabrication:
Saul Bellow - "A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep."
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 12307 Posts Member #: 565 Carlos Fandango Burnham-on-Crouch, Essex |
18th Dec, 2010 at 06:04:53pm
That's what I like to see!
On 28th Aug, 2011 Kean said:
At the risk of being sigged... Joe, do you have a photo of your tool? http://www.turbominis.co.uk/forums/index.p...9064&lastpost=1 https://joe1977.imgbb.com/ |
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 9502 Posts Member #: 1023 Post Whore Doncaster, South Yorkshire |
18th Dec, 2010 at 07:04:23pm
Impressive :)
Yes i moved to the darkside |
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9258 Posts Member #: 123 Post Whore Betwix Harrogate and York |
18th Dec, 2010 at 10:06:17pm
On 15th Dec, 2010 Paul S said:
Surely though, you would not spend £1000 on a 7 Port and then bolt on the Metro Turbo exhaust manifold.....would you? Indeed I would. But I'm not short on power with the metty manifold and neither are others. And I'm not after more power necessarily, but all the advantages FI can give me, traction control, launch control plus it's lighter. There is of course scope to change the manifold in the future when it is maybe a restriction to performance. Fastest 998 mini in the world? 13.05 1/4 mile 106mph
On 2nd Jan, 2013 fastcarl said:
the design shows a distinct lack of imagination, talk about starting off with a clean sheet of paper, then not bothering to fucking draw on it,lol On 20th Apr, 2012 Paul S said:
I'm mainly concerned about swirl in the runners caused by the tangential entry. |
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8604 Posts Member #: 573 Formerly Axel Podland |
19th Dec, 2010 at 11:16:40am
Ok, I understand the logic. We already have the potential for traction and launch control.
Saul Bellow - "A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep."
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 2500 Posts Member #: 648 Post Whore Northern Ireland (ex AUS) |
19th Dec, 2010 at 03:13:18pm
On 19th Dec, 2010 Paul S said:
I can't finish weld the manifold until I can answer that question and the book with the answer is sat under the Xmas tree for another week :( Paul, I'll have a word with Santa, I'm sure he'll understand if you open your present early. He know's his way around a Mini as he gets me Mini parts every year! On 7th Nov, 2008 Nic said:
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8604 Posts Member #: 573 Formerly Axel Podland |
19th Dec, 2010 at 04:57:12pm
On 19th Dec, 2010 Jay#2 said:
Paul, I'll have a word with Santa Cool 
Saul Bellow - "A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep."
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8604 Posts Member #: 573 Formerly Axel Podland |
27th Dec, 2010 at 05:28:03pm
Well, Santa delivered and I'm half way though the book.
Saul Bellow - "A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep."
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 1137 Posts Member #: 1450 Post Whore Near Paris - France |
27th Dec, 2010 at 09:06:36pm
On 27th Dec, 2010 Paul S said:
The first bit of bad news is that the Engleman/Helmholtz theory was discredited about 50 years ago  D'oh ! Anyway, that's a relief cos' I couldnt even read the damn name, let alone pronounce ... Rusty by nature
On 23rd Jun, 2008 paul wiginton said:
They said "That sounds rough mate." I said "Cheers it cost me a fortune to make it sound like that!" |
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 6549 Posts Member #: 1149 #1 Basshunter Fan Force Racing ICT Dept Manager Miglia Turbo Am frum Yokshyer tha noes! |
11th Jan, 2011 at 09:37:21am
Any updates on this paul?? 1/4 Mile 14.3secs 96Mph Terminal 10psi of boost.
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8604 Posts Member #: 573 Formerly Axel Podland |
11th Jan, 2011 at 01:10:24pm
I now have a calibrated model of my engine and am about to do parametric simulations of exhaust manifold runner lengths. Saul Bellow - "A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep."
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6549 Posts Member #: 1149 #1 Basshunter Fan Force Racing ICT Dept Manager Miglia Turbo Am frum Yokshyer tha noes! |
11th Jan, 2011 at 01:48:40pm
I fully understand everything you just said. 1/4 Mile 14.3secs 96Mph Terminal 10psi of boost.
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 2057 Posts Member #: 9252 Post Whore Cleethorpes |
11th Jan, 2011 at 05:13:50pm
project looks great good luck with the calculations Done now needs redoing lol |
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 1596 Posts Member #: 8027 Post Whore Thrapston, Kettering, Northants NN14 |
11th Jan, 2011 at 11:15:59pm
watching this closely , tis very interesting On 17th Feb, 2011 apbellamy said:
I popped my first one out the other day... |
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1137 Posts Member #: 1450 Post Whore Near Paris - France |
16th Jan, 2011 at 08:22:12pm
On 11th Jan, 2011 Paul S said:
I now have a calibrated model of my engine and am about to do parametric simulations of exhaust manifold runner lengths. What software are you using ? Rusty by nature
On 23rd Jun, 2008 paul wiginton said:
They said "That sounds rough mate." I said "Cheers it cost me a fortune to make it sound like that!" |
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8604 Posts Member #: 573 Formerly Axel Podland |
17th Jan, 2011 at 09:18:53am
It's called "Foginadish" Saul Bellow - "A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep."
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1137 Posts Member #: 1450 Post Whore Near Paris - France |
18th Jan, 2011 at 09:16:48pm
I don't get it.
Rusty by nature
On 23rd Jun, 2008 paul wiginton said:
They said "That sounds rough mate." I said "Cheers it cost me a fortune to make it sound like that!" |
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8604 Posts Member #: 573 Formerly Axel Podland |
19th Jan, 2011 at 09:22:07am
Apologies, my poor attempt at a joke.
Saul Bellow - "A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep."
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289 Posts Member #: 8160 Senior Member , mitcham, surrey, london, cr4 |
19th Jan, 2011 at 09:10:55pm
nice project! Nothing special! |
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