Engine swaps and the DVLA
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Im sure 99.9% of you couldnt give a rats rear about Max Power but here an interesting article that may well (will) affect us all

http://turbominis.co.uk/forums/index.php?p=vt&tid=170151

Here's the actual statement from DVLC (it came up on another forum recently)

A bit more factual than MaxPower (obviously) but still worrying. (second paragraph down).

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/Ownin...cate/DG_4022054

Schrödinger's cat - so which one am I ???

There was a bit in mini mag about it as well, this month's issue.

We had a chap asking for the registration of the car we took the engine out of that we sold him as the DVLA were being a holes.

EDIT: Mine will be staying a 1100 on the log book. problem solved.

Edited by apbellamy on 5th Sep, 2009.

The way i read the bit in the link is that you would need only one of the options so if thats the case then its not too much to worry about.

Ive been reading up on the requirements for the new IVA and its pretty comprehensive if you have to go through it.

I think the DVLA requirement for all the extra information is as a result of people claiming to have fitted smaller engines (hence lower road tax) but bureaucracy works both ways unfortunately...

Schrödinger's cat - so which one am I ???

Tell em fuck all unless absolutely necessary.


Trying to do the right thing when it comes to these matters...will never result with a good outcome.
This stuff has been on the cards for years, and slowly getting stricter.

Its a no win situation for modifiers. Even if there were garages that had a clue and could give written approval...unless they got paid a fortune, why the hell would they put their name to it !!

And the level of competence at many garages...we all know what thats like. Many are about as good as half the internet mechanics.

9.85 @ 145mph
202mph standing mile
speed didn't kill me, but taxation probably will

So we all need to start writing reciepts for the engines that we sell each other then....

doesnt say the garge needs to check the installation or it doesnt hve to be the garage that did the work tho, they just want confirmation on cc size.

"written confirmation on headed paper from a garage if the change in engine size took place before you bought the vehicle"

it will get strickter i rekon due to the rules in other countries.

just stamp u own engine numbers on, and restamp the next engine with same number lol

no longer a series, but still 1.3 turbo.

I hope the above works Carl...
just bought a Clubman GT and it turns out its a 1293 rather than the standard... only found this out when the head was taken off... no idea when the conversion was done exactly.... I found some evidence for back it being done back in 95....

http://www.jolyonway.com

I now have a problem.

The V5 says 1275cc. The engine is a 998cc bored to 1040cc. There is no number on the engine.

I can get it through an MOT OK, but I need to get the V5 amended to show the correct engine size.

I have a number for the engine in the car.

Presumably, I need a receipt for the engine?

It's insured as a 998 Turbo

EDIT: I have an Ebay receipt for a 998 engine. That'll do nicely.

Edited by Paul S on 5th Sep, 2009.

Saul Bellow - "A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep."
Stephen Hawking - "The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge."

But, saying theorectically that I've kept the 1275 to refurb to fit in another of my Minis. I don't have a receipt for that :(

Bloody ridiculous rules drempt up by idiots who do not have foot in the real world.

Saul Bellow - "A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep."
Stephen Hawking - "The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge."

I've just been through this with the dvla. It’s only really relevant to modern vehicles or engines from cars after 2002. Due to the new tax banding.

You get a bloody horrid letter from them when you send in your V5.

Asking for all the details of the engine who supplied it who fitted and all that nonsense.

So I rang them and the guy said it does not affect your vehicle. Due to its age, and the applied tax to it.

Si

I drill holes in everything..!

to be honest in an mot dont they not test engine mounts and things like that? so why not fore the owner to have an MOT once the new engine is in? that would be a fair thing to do? rather than all this other bull

Schrödinger's cat - so which one am I ???

It's a standard rebore size, so your fine. If you took it to a
garage they would say the engine is a 1275. I asked when I took a car for MOT and he said he can see it's a 1275 block, but can't dissasemble to find out the exact cc (1293 in this case) so marked it as 1275 on the MOT database.

Tell them it's the same engine but with the block sleaved down to 998

So what happens with the likes of me? I'm a qualified mechanic and I also work on my car at home. Theoretically I could easily write my own letter of compliance.

Will they accept that as it was written by myself who carried out the conversion or will it have to be a unbiased third party?

Saul Bellow - "A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep."
Stephen Hawking - "The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge."

Sounds like its nearly at the rules over here. Its stupid, ive currently got a 998, but if i swapped over to a 1275 id need to fit all of the brakes and suspension out of a 1275 car. Then get it all checked by an 'approved person' and then i can get it legally registered. If i want to modify it anymore i need to talk an engineer to certify it is all safe and legal. Its a joke.

In boost we trust

Edited by Rod S on 6th Sep, 2009.

Schrödinger's cat - so which one am I ???

you'd make life a lot easier by stamping the V5 engine number onto your block.



I really dont know why engines have numbers these days anyway. They get changed in so many cars so often, that there is little reason for it.

9.85 @ 145mph
202mph standing mile
speed didn't kill me, but taxation probably will

Good job the brakes where pretty much the same what ever engine you bought your new mini with

no longer a series, but still 1.3 turbo.