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Brett

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is the best pump to get still from avonbar or have others caught up yet?

and iirc is its the one with the steel back plate that i need?

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Joe C

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minispares do the same powerflow turbo pump now aparently.

On 28th Aug, 2011 Kean said:
At the risk of being sigged...

Joe, do you have a photo of your tool?



http://www.turbominis.co.uk/forums/index.p...9064&lastpost=1

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Miniwilliams

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you don't have to spend big money on a avonbar oil pump, if you were to get a standard oil pump for a 1300 n/a that will be fine.

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Joe C

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unless of course you have oil jets.

On 28th Aug, 2011 Kean said:
At the risk of being sigged...

Joe, do you have a photo of your tool?



http://www.turbominis.co.uk/forums/index.p...9064&lastpost=1

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Miniwilliams

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have you tried them with oil jets then mate???

Best 1/4 mile 13.2 seconds @116 mph
First 5 port miniturbo to make over 200 bhp on a carb?
First 5 port miniturbo to make over 200 bhp on Injection?

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Joe C

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Carlos Fandango

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yep, seems to struggle to keep good pressure a little on a hot engine,

in my experience anyway.

On 28th Aug, 2011 Kean said:
At the risk of being sigged...

Joe, do you have a photo of your tool?



http://www.turbominis.co.uk/forums/index.p...9064&lastpost=1

https://joe1977.imgbb.com/



Brett

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On 9th Sep, 2009 Miniwilliams said:
you don't have to spend big money on a avonbar oil pump, if you were to get a standard oil pump for a 1300 n/a that will be fine.


that is quite reassuring actually coming from yourself but as mini13 said i will be running with oil jets although possibly the ones with the ball bearing to shut them off at low oil pressures, i may be feeding oil to the thrusts as well and obviously the T2 do you think the na pump will be good for all that?

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madcatminis

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Yeah minispares have started selling the powerflow pumps. These are excellent!!! I've used one of the turbo powerflow pumps before and it was top. *Clapping*


Rod S

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On 9th Sep, 2009 mini13 said:
minispares do the same powerflow turbo pump now aparently.


As stated, the "turbo" one I got from MiniSpares a year ago was the steel backed Powerflow one, and not much more expensive than the standard one. So unless they have changed their supplier since then....

Probably overkill in my case (no oil jets) as the turbo doesn't add that much to the flow requirements but better too much than too little.....

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Joe C

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also on my current engine i plugged the oil drain from the presure releif ( apart from a small 2mm drain hole) and redrilled it out he side of the block so all the exess oil gets dumped onto the transfer gears.

On 28th Aug, 2011 Kean said:
At the risk of being sigged...

Joe, do you have a photo of your tool?



http://www.turbominis.co.uk/forums/index.p...9064&lastpost=1

https://joe1977.imgbb.com/



Miniwilliams

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Great stuff mini13 thats what i like to hear, someone that is speaking from there own testing and not just thinking what it should or shouldn't do Nice one *happy*.


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First 5 port miniturbo to make over 200 bhp on a carb?
First 5 port miniturbo to make over 200 bhp on Injection?

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Brett

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On 9th Sep, 2009 mini13 said:
also on my current engine i plugged the oil drain from the presure releif ( apart from a small 2mm drain hole) and redrilled it out he side of the block so all the exess oil gets dumped onto the transfer gears.

i like that idea :)

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BENROSS

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my thoughts and experiences are with mats and brett, not needed
unless you want the engine to pump more oil around than is neded.






Rod S

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Interesting comments...

I bought the "turbo" one specifically because it was known to be the Powerflow one with the steel plate and there had been other threads at the time about the cheaper ones with alloy plates cracking and causing the pump to lose suction.

The extra capacity is probably overkill (as I said earlier) for a basic turbo engine but allows for extras later (like oil jets) and also covers unexpected bearing wear.

Given the choice, I would prefer to pump more oil around than is needed than risk an alloy cover plate failing and losing pressure - if the standard pumps now have steel plates. that would be fine, but they didn't when I bought mine.

But I really like mini13's putting the spill back into the transfer gears, rather than the sump....

Any photos ???

Schrödinger's cat - so which one am I ???


Joe C

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nope,

I stole the idea off somone on the efi minis forum.

its pretty easy to do though,

poke a vernier down the releif valve hole so you can see it when looking up the std drain, this will give the distance you need to drill back from the releif valve cover face.

using the botom of the block its easy to transfer the height the hole needs to be,

bang a 10mm-ish hole throgh to the releif valve chamber, then tap the original hole in the bottom of the block M10x1 and screw in an allen plug that has a 2-3mm hole drilled throgh it, stake the plug in just in case... done.

I also tapped the new hole with visions of putting a 90 deg fitting in to point the oil flow toward the gears, but i didnt have one to hand when i put the engine together.

On 28th Aug, 2011 Kean said:
At the risk of being sigged...

Joe, do you have a photo of your tool?



http://www.turbominis.co.uk/forums/index.p...9064&lastpost=1

https://joe1977.imgbb.com/



GaryOS

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Myself and Paul converted a Powerflow pump for use on my A+ 1098. Initial readings at idle were 70-80 PSI with zetec oil jets. Do people see similar readings with these pumps in big bores too? Is there much difference in oil capacity between big and small bore

On 12th Nov, 2009 Paul S said:

I think Gary OS has taken over my role as the forum smart arse *happy*


On 30th Apr, 2010 Rod S said:
Gary's description is best


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On 10th Sep, 2009 mini13 said:
nope,

I stole the idea off somone on the efi minis forum.




8-)*happy*


tadge44

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I use a Turbo high capacity pump which gives around 70/80 psi cold (probably overcoming the relief valve,s flow capacity) dropping to 50/60 psi at cruise and under 20 psi at idle, when hot.I prefer the idea of excess flow capacity,but agree with the common view that too high a pressure achieves little other than heating up the oil and consuming some power.The motor is and inline 1275.


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top idea about dumping the excess oil onto the drops, might rob the idea myself

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akirch

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Turboharry modified an oil pump:



Testing follows in the upcoming season...

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