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just measured my CC in the cylinder head chambers and now need to work out my overal CR

cylinder bore size = 70.60
piston stroke length = 81.30
head gasket bore diameter =
Compressed Head Gasket Thickness=
Combustion Chamber Volume In CCs = 22-22.5cc
Piston Dome Volume In CCs=
Piston Deck Clearance =

how do i go about finding out the rest? look around the internet for a very long time

the engine is a standard 1275 metro and the head was from a "turbo" mini


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There are graphs in the Vizad book regarding he gasket stuff.

For the dish in the pistons you can either measure it as for the head or calculate it from your engine blueprints.
If it is a 9.4 CR 1275 engine and as it must have had a 21.4cc head, single cylinder capcity divided by CR minus 1 if I recall correctly but do your homework and it should be OK.

Maybe save piston to deck clearance as a safety margin if you turboing this, that's what I would do ...

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On 23rd Jun, 2008 paul wiginton said:

They said "That sounds rough mate." I said "Cheers it cost me a fortune to make it sound like that!"


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yeah it will be turbo'd just going to get the vizard book its on a shelf really high up wrapped in a cloth *happy* lol brb


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so what are engine blueprints? all the specs? shall i get my engine number as well?


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I agree, I never include ringland or deck volume as a margin. Better to be low on a turbo engine.

Basically to use that head as it is you need 18cc dished pistons to get the CR below 9:1

Fastest 998 mini in the world? 13.05 1/4 mile 106mph



On 2nd Jan, 2013 fastcarl said:

the design shows a distinct lack of imagination,
talk about starting off with a clean sheet of paper, then not bothering to fucking draw on it,lol

On 20th Apr, 2012 Paul S said:
I'm mainly concerned about swirl in the runners caused by the tangential entry.


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i got a cd case and put it onto the face of the cylinder head and syringed water in only on one chamber, and got 22.5

i have standard 1275 pistons
12HA83AA


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wow this has got very confusing now reading david vizards book and its not making much sense :(


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http://www.afracing.com/CR.xls

Hope that helps!

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with that excel i got

bore : 70.61
stroke : 81.40
gasket volume : 4cc
ring land vol : 0.78
piston vol : 6cc
head : 22cc
deck vol : 5.25

this gave me a ratio of 9.38:1 this sound right for a standard 1275 metro with a 22cc head?


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from memory a std mety turbo is 9.5 to 1 but its early in the morning and i havent worked your maths out so if you havent added 1 to your end figure to account for atmospheric air pressure then you could be in trouble as an mg engine is 10.5 to 1.



On 15th Dec, 2009 fastcarl said:
sell the lot to me for £70 pounds and i'll let you stand on the outside edge and look on my inner circle of closest frinds, lol


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Your calculation is right, but where has a deck volume of 5.25cc come from, that's quite big.

Fastest 998 mini in the world? 13.05 1/4 mile 106mph



On 2nd Jan, 2013 fastcarl said:

the design shows a distinct lack of imagination,
talk about starting off with a clean sheet of paper, then not bothering to fucking draw on it,lol

On 20th Apr, 2012 Paul S said:
I'm mainly concerned about swirl in the runners caused by the tangential entry.


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Standard Metro 1275 should be 9.4:1 iirc

On 11th Feb, 2015 robert said:
i tried putting soap on it , and heating it to brown , then slathered my new lube on it

*hehe!*


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no, actualy its 9.44:1

*tongue*

On 26th Oct, 2004 TurboDave16v said:
Is it A-Series only? I think it should be...
So when some joey comes on here about how his 16v turbo vauxhall is great compared to ours, he can be given the 'bird'...


On 26th Oct, 2004 Tom Fenton said:
Yep I agree with TD........


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On 5th Jan, 2010 Sprocket said:
no, actualy its 9.44:1

*tongue*

*Shooting*

On 11th Feb, 2015 robert said:
i tried putting soap on it , and heating it to brown , then slathered my new lube on it

*hehe!*


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it was already on the excel software as standard for a N/A 1275


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By this I guess you mean the deck volume?

On 5th Jan, 2010 blister said:
it was already on the excel software as standard for a N/A 1275


This is a hell of an assumption, you need to measure it on your own engine. On all my engines it's zero.

Fastest 998 mini in the world? 13.05 1/4 mile 106mph



On 2nd Jan, 2013 fastcarl said:

the design shows a distinct lack of imagination,
talk about starting off with a clean sheet of paper, then not bothering to fucking draw on it,lol

On 20th Apr, 2012 Paul S said:
I'm mainly concerned about swirl in the runners caused by the tangential entry.


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yes wil_h sorry about that yeah the deck volume was already inputted in the excel software


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The ONLY way you will find out with any remote accuracy is to measure it. I see that you used water previously, however this will give you some in-accuracy because it has surface tension. The most accepted way is to use Kerosene (or similar).

By measuring it, it take in to account production tolerances, production changes and any machining tolerances.

Cheers.

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