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danw

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good evening,

i want to loose as much of the unsprung weight as i can, any ideas? i've seen the lightweight drive flanges,rear hubs and front swivel hubs in minisport. i've also seen the force racing bits, but im not that rich!

cheers


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drilled and groved disks must be lighter sounds stupid but everything helps...
light alloy wheels, ally breaks. its expencive to loose unsprung weight oh and ally rear drums :)

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danw

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yeah i already worked out about the wheels, the alloy 4 pots are on the shopping list too. rear discs or alloy drums too.


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alloy swing arms - lighter suspension components (eg ally shocks)

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danw

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i've looked at the minisport alloy swivel hubs and steering arms, but im not sure on the quality and i've never heard of anyone using them...


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Wait until KAD make alloy front hubs. I wouldn't trust my life to a minisport product.

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On 12th Nov, 2009 Paul S said:

I think Gary OS has taken over my role as the forum smart arse *happy*


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Gary's description is best


Rob H

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Drill the hand brake leavers in side the rear drums.

Edited by Rob H on 20th Feb, 2010.

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Laurence

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Part original weight new weight saving
alloy radius arms 9.3kg 5.08kg 4.22kg
alloy rear hubs 1.9kg 0.936kg 0.964kg
alloy front swivels 5kg 2.8kg 2.2kg
alloy drive flanges 2.2kg 0.92kg 1.28kg
alloy rear discs conv5.6kg 9.2kg 3.6kg
alloy brake calipers 5.4kg 2.5kg 2.9kg
magnesium wheels 38kg 14kg 24kg
total 39.14kg

Racing tyres are lighter than road tyres so that would save on unsprung weight too, so magnesium wheels + racing tyres could reduce unsprung weight by 30 odd kg so keep an eye on fleabay or put out a 'wanted' ad.


Laurence

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Mmm, sorry that chart didn't work out too good, the spacing got all closed up went I sent it so it's not easy to read.


Rob H

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On 20th Feb, 2010 Laurence said:
alloy rear discs conv 5.6kg 9.2kg 3.6kg


I assume the original weight is for steel drums & steel hubs?

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Laurence

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Yep, all the original weights are for the pair of steel components & the weight savings are for a pair of new lightweight components.
The quickest/cheapest way to save unsprung weight is to buy a second-hand set of mag allys with racing tyres, there must be loads of stuff like this in someones shed etc which they might like to turn into cash if they find some enthusiast who wants to make use of them.


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On 20th Feb, 2010 GaryOS said:
Wait until KAD make alloy front hubs.



Im not so sure they will, 6 years ago they told me they were imminent, last time I spoke to them, they said they wish they never got involved in them and theyre a long way off.

I seriously doubt it!


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Why can't I find something simple like alloy wheel nuts in 3/8" ?

They make them for all the metric studs.

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On 21st Feb, 2010 paul wiginton said:



On 20th Feb, 2010 GaryOS said:
Wait until KAD make alloy front hubs.



Im not so sure they will, 6 years ago they told me they were imminent, last time I spoke to them, they said they wish they never got involved in them and theyre a long way off.


Oh, I didn't know they were having that much trouble. I knew they were at it for a couple of years but I thought they might be near completion.

I suppose that highlights how bad the minisport ones must be. 6 years of development can't get them up to scratch but minisport just think "Lets pour a lighter material into the moulds"

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Gary's description is best


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Exactly gary, MiniSport are billet (supposedly 7075), KAD have cast theirs.
I read that KAD found a fundamental flaw in theirs which is why they have got to production, but they also said they can see the same flaw in the MiniSport ones

I seriously doubt it!


danw

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what are the flaws?


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KAD wont say

I seriously doubt it!


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when i was over bill richards last year he got a delivery from kad. a nice set of ally hubs in the box :) i opened the box and saw them first ahaha but he tests for kad so thats why he had them :)

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does anyone use the rear alloy hubs? i'm mulling over getting some

i reckon some folk should make an alloy steering rack tube! only a small reduction but it all helps

i only realised recently that the OE rear radius arms are hollow, WTF are they made from to be so heavy??? i did'nt think anything hollow should be that heavy, weighty for there size?

allso someone should be knocking out lightweight disks with alloy bells by now!

it al depends on their use dont it, KAD is KAD stuff is pricey as its strong enough for racing & road, minisport i'm unsure about as i dont know how they test stuff!

i though cnc alloy stuff was stronger than cast???

i'd like alloy calipers & s drive flanges for the front & alloy hubs for the rear

i cant afford alloy radius arms yet *surprised*( keep the prices the same for 2 years & i'll buy some

oh also someone should knock out ally steerin column tube
i suppose aly can be made of lighter materials! hmmmmmmm

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On 21st Feb, 2010 clubminiflip said:
allso someone should be knocking out lightweight disks with alloy bells by now!


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Beam axle!

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On 22nd Feb, 2010 Mr Joshua said:
Beam axle!


To reduce unsprung weight? *oh well*

On 12th Nov, 2009 Paul S said:

I think Gary OS has taken over my role as the forum smart arse *happy*


On 30th Apr, 2010 Rod S said:
Gary's description is best


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On 22nd Feb, 2010 GaryOS said:
On 22nd Feb, 2010 Mr Joshua said:
Beam axle!


To reduce unsprung weight? *oh well*


A live axle rear end would, but not by much, its still a great heavy beam across the car.

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On 20th Feb, 2010 Rob H said:
On 20th Feb, 2010 Laurence said:
alloy rear discs conv 5.6kg 9.2kg 3.6kg


I assume the original weight is for steel drums & steel hubs?


Think that's the wrong way round


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On 22nd Feb, 2010 best_stig said:
On 22nd Feb, 2010 GaryOS said:
On 22nd Feb, 2010 Mr Joshua said:
Beam axle!


To reduce unsprung weight? *oh well*


A live axle rear end would, but not by much, its still a great heavy beam across the car.


I was thinking beam subframe (that doesn't even make sense biut hopefully you know what I mean) rather than beam axle

On 12th Nov, 2009 Paul S said:

I think Gary OS has taken over my role as the forum smart arse *happy*


On 30th Apr, 2010 Rod S said:
Gary's description is best

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