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Im thinking about upgrading my radiator cap, to go with a new rad, two core type.

there are other makes of cap that i have seen with different range of pressure. what would you reconmend for a 1275 metro turbo, new hi flow water pump running with intercooler boost 7.5-15? not sure what antifreeze.

thanks for any help
After doing some reading would it be beneficial if i was to use an cap at 16psi like http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie...e=STRK:MEWAX:IT


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Carlos Fandango

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std metty one is 15psi,

use a 22 psi stant one like in that link.

just make sure your hose clips are done up tight..........

On 28th Aug, 2011 Kean said:
At the risk of being sigged...

Joe, do you have a photo of your tool?



http://www.turbominis.co.uk/forums/index.p...9064&lastpost=1

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I have been considering moving the thermostat from the top hose to the bottom hose. This would tend to pressurise the rad with the restriction on the rad outlet. What I dont know is by how much it would pressurise the rad, and which rad cap to fit. I had looked at the standard fitment and its mostly 15 PSI, so im now thinking of fitting a higher rated one like you have Joe *wink*

On 26th Oct, 2004 TurboDave16v said:
Is it A-Series only? I think it should be...
So when some joey comes on here about how his 16v turbo vauxhall is great compared to ours, he can be given the 'bird'...


On 26th Oct, 2004 Tom Fenton said:
Yep I agree with TD........


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On 28th Feb, 2010 mini13 said:
std metty one is 15psi,

use a 22 psi stant one like in that link.

just make sure your hose clips are done up tight..........


lol, I should of said that there was a stant one that ive seen with 16psi, if the metty is 15, i shouldnt get any probs with 16? thanks


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On 28th Feb, 2010 Sprocket said:
I have been considering moving the thermostat from the top hose to the bottom hose. This would tend to pressurise the rad with the restriction on the rad outlet. What I dont know is by how much it would pressurise the rad, and which rad cap to fit. I had looked at the standard fitment and its mostly 15 PSI, so im now thinking of fitting a higher rated one like you have Joe *wink*


from what ive read on stant they range from 16-28psi, found this on the net any good?
A 50/50 mixture of water and ethylene glycol antifreeze in the cooling system will boil at 225 degrees if the cap is open. But as long as the system is sealed and holds pressure, a radiator cap rated at 15 psi will increase the boiling temperature of a 50/50 coolant blend up to 265 degrees. If the concentration of antifreeze to water is upped to 70/30 (the maximum recommended), the boiling temperature under 15 psi of pressure goes up to 276 degrees.


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Yes, but the water pump creates 'head' and if, like I suggested, I place the thermostat (restrictor) in the bottom hose, the rad sees the head that the water pump produces. Where as with the thermostat in the top hose, the rad is only ever exposed to the static pressure in the system unless there is an overheat.

On 26th Oct, 2004 TurboDave16v said:
Is it A-Series only? I think it should be...
So when some joey comes on here about how his 16v turbo vauxhall is great compared to ours, he can be given the 'bird'...


On 26th Oct, 2004 Tom Fenton said:
Yep I agree with TD........


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Carlos Fandango

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snigger, you said "head"

isnt there a much deliberated argument about thermostat positioning and themal shock on K series lumps?

Also Paul you want to beware of using too much antifreeze, allegedly it decreases the heat transfer rate.

On 28th Aug, 2011 Kean said:
At the risk of being sigged...

Joe, do you have a photo of your tool?



http://www.turbominis.co.uk/forums/index.p...9064&lastpost=1

https://joe1977.imgbb.com/



wintersurferuk

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"head" like beer, good idea. If i fit a thermostat in the fan switch boss, can i do away with the thermostat in the head? thanks

yeah joe, not sure what im useing yet, theres that wetter stuff as well....

Edited by wintersurferuk on 28th Feb, 2010.


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On 28th Feb, 2010 mini13 said:
snigger, you said "head"

isnt there a much deliberated argument about thermostat positioning and themal shock on K series lumps?

Also Paul you want to beware of using too much antifreeze, allegedly it decreases the heat transfer rate.


All of that could point to Matty's recent engine failure, other than that, I haven't heard anything, but then, I am just an amature home builder, perhaps there are theories being talked about else where. Im not in the loop if there is*happy*

All I was thinking is that squeezing in a thermostat with the K head is tight. There are solutions, and I think I got my solution sorted pretty well, however, the engine runs at a temp of 75c. I started looking at the source of these thermostats and thats when I found that it actualy lives in the bottom rad hose instead, thus controls the bottom hose temp rather than the top hose temp, which would be the reason for the cooler temp. So if the Delta Temp across the engine is say 10 degrees, that would mean the top hose temp is roughly 85c. It got me thinking *happy*

Edited by Sprocket on 28th Feb, 2010.

On 26th Oct, 2004 TurboDave16v said:
Is it A-Series only? I think it should be...
So when some joey comes on here about how his 16v turbo vauxhall is great compared to ours, he can be given the 'bird'...


On 26th Oct, 2004 Tom Fenton said:
Yep I agree with TD........


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delta temp eh flash bugger lol

From what i remember about what i read, it was somthing along the lines of the stat opening and dumping cold water into the engine, so your idea should counter that effect.

i'll have to dig it out at some point.

On 28th Aug, 2011 Kean said:
At the risk of being sigged...

Joe, do you have a photo of your tool?



http://www.turbominis.co.uk/forums/index.p...9064&lastpost=1

https://joe1977.imgbb.com/



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Delta T, delta P, Approach, Pinch, are all terminoligy I use at work for talking about such things as heat exchangers *tongue* and for all intent in purpose, an engine, as far as the cooling system is concerned, is a heat exchanger *happy*.

What you also have to considr is that with the bypass, the temperature at the water pump is an average of the bypass temp and bottom of the rad temp. So I don't really know how it will respond overll temperature wise.

It will certainly make it easier to plumb in.

Watch this space

On 26th Oct, 2004 TurboDave16v said:
Is it A-Series only? I think it should be...
So when some joey comes on here about how his 16v turbo vauxhall is great compared to ours, he can be given the 'bird'...


On 26th Oct, 2004 Tom Fenton said:
Yep I agree with TD........


Joe C

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lol

Indeed certainly woth trying :)

heres the thingy i was thinking of...

http://www.mgfmavhh.ukf.net/

are we OT enough yet? lol

On 28th Aug, 2011 Kean said:
At the risk of being sigged...

Joe, do you have a photo of your tool?



http://www.turbominis.co.uk/forums/index.p...9064&lastpost=1

https://joe1977.imgbb.com/



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I cannot be arsed reading that right now, but all I will say is that onece the engine is up to temp, the stat is never closed, and they are not slow to respond either. As long as there is a bypass around the rad. Some work in a full flow scenario, while others work in a restrictive, mixing scenario.

With full flow bypass I recon you wont get the heater to work if you have one, there just wont be enough delta pressure (*tongue*) to push the hot coolant through the heater matrix and back to the bottom hose.

On 26th Oct, 2004 TurboDave16v said:
Is it A-Series only? I think it should be...
So when some joey comes on here about how his 16v turbo vauxhall is great compared to ours, he can be given the 'bird'...


On 26th Oct, 2004 Tom Fenton said:
Yep I agree with TD........

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