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chominsh

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i need your help :)

oil is coming from spark plug holes, why?

i strip my engine, took my head off and there was oil in it :(

i was thinking that my rings are dead, but they looks good, crankshaft bearing are ok as well.

so i do not understand how that oil is getting there? *frown*

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chominsh

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sounds crazy (or not) but could that oil come from turbo unit?
because i notice there oil :/

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1972-ANGUS

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Any chance it is dripping when hot from the rocker cover gasket, while driving.
It would settle in the area of the spark plug! That fooled me once before.


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sorry reread post, ignore me :$

Did oil enter bores from taking head off?


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It could quite easily be from the turbo. Is there oil in the carb and pipework?

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chominsh

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On 1st Jun, 2010 matty said:
It could quite easily be from the turbo. Is there oil in the carb and pipework?


yes there was, but not much



there were little bit more in the pipe before air filter, that is really strange, because carburettor and intake manifold are clean :)

could it come from somewhere else???

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chominsh

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On 31st May, 2010 1972-ANGUS said:
sorry reread post, ignore me :$

Did oil enter bores from taking head off?


all spark plug holes were dirty in the oil and all head has oil on it, especially 2nd piston had lot of oil on it.

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Check for play in the turbo shaft. Its strange that there is no oil in the carb/inlet if the turbo knackered. *oh well*

Only other places it can come from is valve stem seals or rings.

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chominsh

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On 1st Jun, 2010 matty said:
Check for play in the turbo shaft. Its strange that there is no oil in the carb/inlet if the turbo knackered. *oh well*

Only other places it can come from is valve stem seals or rings.


oh yea, i will check valve stem seals tomorrow, maybe they are gone :/

checked turbo and it is in perfect cond. no play or what ever, :)

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more to the point.


why are you stripping the engine in the first place ? And how much oil ? pictures might help.

Has the engine actually ever run ?

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chominsh

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it was running but very badly, not enough power like it was before,
did not wanted to go faster than 55mph :(

then i notice that oil start coming from spark plug holes, more from 2nd.
also i found some oil in my clutch.

so i decide to strip all engine and i was thinking that my piston rings are gone, but found that they are ok and then i
was confused, where that oil came from :/

oh.. no pic available, there was almost same amount of oil like on turbo pic, only it was all head like that

hope it helps :)

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that turbo looks some years old and worse for wear!

inspect the guide seals then and if you are sure!!! the pistons are ok ?
the problem will lie in the the turbo especiall if its as old as me and you have no history of it

whats the spec of the engine and history ? milage etc .........






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The picture of the turbo is just the inlet side of the compressor - if the compressor shaft seal leaks, the majority of the oil will be seen on the other side of the compressor, in the pipe up to the carb (or to the intercooler if you run one).

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chominsh

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On 2nd Jun, 2010 Rod S said:
The picture of the turbo is just the inlet side of the compressor - if the compressor shaft seal leaks, the majority of the oil will be seen on the other side of the compressor, in the pipe up to the carb (or to the intercooler if you run one).


thank you for replies! :)


on other side, all pipes and carb looks clean and dry. So i guess turbo is ok :)

I just striped head and have question!

how many seals should be there 8 or 4?

I have only 4, is it right?

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4 is correct, inlets only.

Edited by theoneeyedlizard on 2nd Jun, 2010.

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chominsh

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On 2nd Jun, 2010 theoneeyedlizard said:
4 is correct, inlets only.


ok thank you

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chominsh

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these ones will be ok?


are they goes only on exhaust valves as it says: A "must" for the exhaust valves"

may be it is better if i put these on all 8?? or better to change only that 4?:)

and stick with these ones :

do you have any other suggestions? 8-)

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if the guides are not too! worn replace all 8 seals with the viton SPI ones a little more costly but worth it






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I'd never fit seals on the exhaust on a turbo engine...

On 13th Jul, 2012 Ben H said:
Mine gets in the way a bit, but only when it is up. If it is down it does not cause a problem.



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Opinions do vary as you can see, but my opinion is 4 on the inlets only.

My logic;

The inlet ports are under vacuum most of the time (even a turbocharged engine doesn't spend much of its time actually on boost) so the seals stop the oil being sucked in from the rocker area.

The exhaust ports are slightly pressurised (more so on a turbo) so the only way oil goes down them is by the "pumping" action of the valve moving up and down or just runs down if the guides or valve stems are badly worn.
And a little bit of oil going down the exhaust guides helps transfer the heat from a very hot exhaust valve stem to the guide, head and coolant.
Having to fit stem seals to exhaust valves is a sign of excessive wear on the stems or guides in my opinion.

Finally, if yours is a genuine Metro Turbo head and you feel the need to use seals on the exhaust stems, the ones listed probably won't fit properly - original Metro Turbo exhaust valve stems are a larger diameter.

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chominsh

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On 3rd Jun, 2010 Rod S said:
Opinions do vary as you can see, but my opinion is 4 on the inlets only.

My logic;

The inlet ports are under vacuum most of the time (even a turbocharged engine doesn't spend much of its time actually on boost) so the seals stop the oil being sucked in from the rocker area.

The exhaust ports are slightly pressurised (more so on a turbo) so the only way oil goes down them is by the "pumping" action of the valve moving up and down or just runs down if the guides or valve stems are badly worn.
And a little bit of oil going down the exhaust guides helps transfer the heat from a very hot exhaust valve stem to the guide, head and coolant.
Having to fit stem seals to exhaust valves is a sign of excessive wear on the stems or guides in my opinion.

Finally, if yours is a genuine Metro Turbo head and you feel the need to use seals on the exhaust stems, the ones listed probably won't fit properly - original Metro Turbo exhaust valve stems are a larger diameter.


yes, i have original all metro turbo engine, that is very useful info!

but will they fit on the inlet? or should i search for original from metro turbo head?
just do not know any shop for metro turbo parts *oh well*

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Inlets are all the same diameter, it's only the original Metro turbo exhaust valve stems that were larger (because they are sodium filled).

Meausure what you have and you will soon see if it's the original exhaust valves.

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I wouldn't fit stem seals to the exhaust, the valve needs the extra cooling & lubrication as it runs a lot hotter than the inlet.

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chominsh

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May I suggest making sure your spark plugs are fitted correctly. I had exactly the same situation in my early years, egg on face and a lot of humble pie eating occured.

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