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Owen

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Is this guy talking b*ll**ks or not?



http://www.calverst.com/articles/Engine%20...ap%20issues.htm

On 9th Feb, 2010 joeybaby83 said:
yep, ball in a tube affair


minimole23

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I'll be turning my next n/a engine up to 8k without a strap without concern, on the advice of a well respected race engine builder.

For the 16v turbo I will probably only bother with a strap.

Edited by minimole23 on 6th Jun, 2010.

On 7th Oct, 2010 5haneJ said:
yeah I gave it all a good prodding


Vegard

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I've stopped using straps. Let's see how it goes.

On 13th Jul, 2012 Ben H said:
Mine gets in the way a bit, but only when it is up. If it is down it does not cause a problem.



modifiedminis

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Fixing my car....

I totally agree with him, the best thing to do is stud the centre main. I know quite a few people that used to race mini's etc they have all said never fit a centre main strap, just make sure the whole rotating assembly is balanced well. The only engine I have ever had a strap on ended up snapping the crank.


Owen

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On 6th Jun, 2010 modifiedminis said:
I have had a strap on



Ooooeeer lol


Seriously tho,

Do you know a decent supplier for the studs? How do you secure them in the block? And I guess you stud all 3 caps?

On 9th Feb, 2010 joeybaby83 said:
yep, ball in a tube affair


Joe C

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On 6th Jun, 2010 modifiedminis said:
I totally agree with him, the best thing to do is stud the centre main. I know quite a few people that used to race mini's etc they have all said never fit a centre main strap, just make sure the whole rotating assembly is balanced well. The only engine I have ever had a strap on ended up snapping the crank.



Fuck yeah!

On 28th Aug, 2011 Kean said:
At the risk of being sigged...

Joe, do you have a photo of your tool?



http://www.turbominis.co.uk/forums/index.p...9064&lastpost=1

https://joe1977.imgbb.com/



advantage998

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Where do the studs come from joe?


Joe C

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they are minispares uprated S ones,

I had to mod them to fit inside the non S main dowels.

On 28th Aug, 2011 Kean said:
At the risk of being sigged...

Joe, do you have a photo of your tool?



http://www.turbominis.co.uk/forums/index.p...9064&lastpost=1

https://joe1977.imgbb.com/



Owen

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How did you have to modify them dude? (if you don't mind me asking)

On 9th Feb, 2010 joeybaby83 said:
yep, ball in a tube affair


Joe C

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Carlos Fandango

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ohhh, errrr, racks brains to remember...

The S studs have a fat section where they meet the block rather than use dowels, Stupidly I thought the fat section was going to be the same size as the dowels in the non S but they are smaller, and also longer IIRC.

I just poped them in the lathe at work and took a lick off the fat bit till they fitted through the dowels.

I "think" I counter bored the thread in the block slightly to take the fat section of the stud, but still leave the bit the dowel sits on.

TBH it was all a bit of a faff, I should have just bought ARP stuff....

On 28th Aug, 2011 Kean said:
At the risk of being sigged...

Joe, do you have a photo of your tool?



http://www.turbominis.co.uk/forums/index.p...9064&lastpost=1

https://joe1977.imgbb.com/



wolfie

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its not just a case of fitting the studs though is it? you have to cleaarance the gearbox case as well

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Why wolfie...you should have your name as Fuckfaceshithead !


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Owen

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So what's all the fuss about using straps then? and all this 4 bolt steel cap malarky? Does it actually make any difference?

The standard BL item does seem pretty chunky and up to the job.


Just want to make a decision for my engine as i'll be turning it up to about 8,500 revs occasionally.




EDIT: all opinions good or bad are appreciated/taken on board!

Edited by Owen on 7th Jun, 2010.

On 9th Feb, 2010 joeybaby83 said:
yep, ball in a tube affair


best_stig

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I thought centre main straps were for drivers, who slammed it down the gears to slow down instead of using the brakes.

In boost we trust


John

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I have strapped both of my engines and the vans engine and used uprated bolts with washers.

In my opinion the standard cap is up to the job providing the rotating assembly has been balanced, I just use the strap is an insurance policy.

If something is worth doing, it's worth doing half of.


apbellamy

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Going by the description in the link, I can't drive so a strap is necesary in my case.

On 11th Feb, 2015 robert said:
i tried putting soap on it , and heating it to brown , then slathered my new lube on it

*hehe!*


Vegard

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On 7th Jun, 2010 Owen said:


Just want to make a decision for my engine as i'll be turning it up to about 8,500 revs occasionally.



What spec is the engine?

On 13th Jul, 2012 Ben H said:
Mine gets in the way a bit, but only when it is up. If it is down it does not cause a problem.



minimole23

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I would personally use a strap if turning to over 8k.

When the time comes I will get one of fastcarl, as they seem to be properly thought out - i.e long bolts and hardened washers, rather then churned out like many others that seem to be available.

Edit: I've been researching this to death recently planning my next engine!

Edited by minimole23 on 7th Jun, 2010.

On 7th Oct, 2010 5haneJ said:
yeah I gave it all a good prodding


John

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I've got some of the Finnings CAT bolts from Carl and they are very nice. Everyone that sees them wants them lol.

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On 7th Jun, 2010 best_stig said:
I thought centre main straps were for drivers, who slammed it down the gears to slow down instead of using the brakes.


Surely under full throttle more force is putt on the bottom bearing and the cap, while on over run, the vacuum pulls the crank up into the block and the upper bearing with less force?

On 26th Oct, 2004 TurboDave16v said:
Is it A-Series only? I think it should be...
So when some joey comes on here about how his 16v turbo vauxhall is great compared to ours, he can be given the 'bird'...


On 26th Oct, 2004 Tom Fenton said:
Yep I agree with TD........


John

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Perhaps stig is referring more to an over-rev situation causing the crank to flex Sprock?

If something is worth doing, it's worth doing half of.


Owen

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1430cc, 320 cam, weber 45, MED hi lift rockers, megajolt etc


On 7th Jun, 2010 Vegard said:
What spec is the engine?

On 9th Feb, 2010 joeybaby83 said:
yep, ball in a tube affair


best_stig

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On 7th Jun, 2010 Sprocket said:



On 7th Jun, 2010 best_stig said:
I thought centre main straps were for drivers, who slammed it down the gears to slow down instead of using the brakes.


Surely under full throttle more force is putt on the bottom bearing and the cap, while on over run, the vacuum pulls the crank up into the block and the upper bearing with less force?


John said what i was meaning to say.

Id think that the loadings would be equivalent throughout the rotation of the crank. While 2 pistons are going up, the other 2 are going down. So theres a lot of forces acting there at all different directions. And when you use the gears and over rev the engine its making the whole lot worse.
But im happy to be corrected.

In boost we trust


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On 7th Jun, 2010 Owen said:
N/A

1430cc, 320 cam, weber 45, MED hi lift rockers, megajolt etc


On 7th Jun, 2010 Vegard said:
What spec is the engine?


I wouldnt run a long stroke over 8,000 personnally.

I seriously doubt it!

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