Mamba 10" x 6" - replicas - copies - what are they
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Earlier this year, when the snow was thick on the ground, I picked up three supposed Mambas from eBay fairly local to me.

I know the differences between the early ones (valve pointing inwards) but these are different still...



First, no "Mamba" logo cast into the wheel centre.

And they also look slightly larger or wider but the tyre seating area is still 10 x 6



Then the well in the middle is different, much narrow so easier to fit tyres (no bead blaster required) and they have safety lips (red circles)

And the offset and space inside is much bigger



But despite this, they still don't fit over 8.4" discs (I've tried....)

So WTF are they ?????

Schrödinger's cat - so which one am I ???

They are copys made by MWS in the 90's, as far as I know.

And they just started to do them again, with a deep dish.

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Thanks Asphalt, that begins to make sense.

Two of the tyres (Dunlop and I assume original) had 3 digit date codes 517 so that's December 1997 ???

Schrödinger's cat - so which one am I ???

I have no idea how you could expect an 8.4" disc to fit under any 10" rim?

Schrödinger's cat - so which one am I ???

[X] nail here for new monitor

surly its dangerous to run them that wide sones in disc ?

Drop A Gear An Floor It

I wouldn't be worried about stones in the disks, but that just look wrong, hello torquesteer!

Fastest 998 mini in the world? 13.05 1/4 mile 106mph

An incomplete set !

Rusty by nature

Edited by Rod S on 30th Jul, 2010.

Schrödinger's cat - so which one am I ???

Could you machine the inside of the wheel a little to make them fit or are they massively too small??

Andy, it's not a problem...

I've got new 7.5" "S" disks and calipers on my build and the "normal" Mambas fit fine...

I was just wondering why these "copies" seemed to have so much more clearance, as if they had been meant to fit over larger discs.

But I've tried and they don't.

End of story.

Schrödinger's cat - so which one am I ???

as stated above, maybe the same/similar as these ??

http://www.midlandwheels.com/Shop/P-2834-7...amba-Black.html

luke

Edited by 998turbomini25 on 30th Jul, 2010.

I have these mambas on my car.

As said they were made by MWS in the 90's

They fit 4 pot calipers underneath them on 7.5 discs, where as the originals will only fit S calipers

what about 7.9s?

On 30th Jul, 2010 Sprocket said:
Well those discs dont actualy fit inside the wheel now do they

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Mathematically it should be possible with a purpose designed wheel and caliper, 8.4" to 10" is 0.8" on radius or 20mm in real units. The wheel probably only needs to be 4mm thick at that point leaving 16mm for disc to caliper bridge clearance, caliper bridge thickness and caliper bridge to wheel clearance. Say 2mm for each of the clearances, I'm sure a caliper bridge for a single piston caliper could be made 12mm thick in a high strength material (not aluminium).... They aren't much thicker than 12mm on the standard one.

Anyway, it's irrelevant - Asphalt and Nic have answered the question and I guess, from Nic's comment, it probably explains why the copies were re-designed.

Anyone know how common these ones are compared to the two normal ones ???

A set of three isn't much use to me (I only bid on a threesome as they looked like standard ones in the photo) so I eithe need to source a fourth, or get rid of one, or all three.

Schrödinger's cat - so which one am I ???